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Pool Spa combo without spillover

Jimrahbe
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When in the spa mode, the water in the spa is 'about' 1 or 2 inches below the top of the spa... During this time the pump is sucking water from the spa drain, pushing it through the filter and heater and then back to the spa.. So, the same water coming in as going out, so the spa level stays about the same.

When in the Pool mode, the water is being sucked from the pool and most of it is returned to the pool, but some of it is returned to the spa.. Since no water is being sucked from the spa, it soon fills up until it spills over into the pool.. The same thing would have to happen with a pipe.. The pipe would have to be higher than the normal spa level..

I have seen many pics of spas 'inside' of pools, with the spa being almost at the same level as the pool water. So there must be a way..

Let's see what @JamesW has to say..

Thanks,

Jim R.
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In-Wall Ladder for Pool Leaking

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Hello all,

I have an in-wall ladder for a vinyl lined pool that seems to be leaking. I have attached some photos for reference. The pool is leaking about 6 inches per week. It is currently winterized and supposed to be full of water to support the automatic cover. It's taking a lot of water to keep the cover supported with the leak. Any information on how to repair the leak or how to manage the rest of winter would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
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Heater Leak (Pentair MT 175)

uvavi8r
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The heat exchanger may not be leaking inside the combustion chamber, but the ends of the tubes may be corroded away and not directing water completely into the manifold. They should protrude about .5" - .75" from the mounting flange, sit inside the holes in the back of the manifold, and are sealed with an individual O ring. The only way to see that is to remove the manifold from its mounting flange.
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I took the whole heater down to parade rest, removed the lid, took the manifold off (the coils looked fine), I bought the manifold kit and am going to replace it this weekend (it comes with new o rings and gaskets) - fingers crossed that works. I will post the results here...if that doesn't fix it, time to buy the coil.
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Pool Spa combo without spillover

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Hi Jim, thanks for the reply. For the hidden pipe, is it just a a vertical pipe in the spa wall, which then bends 90 degrees and enters the pool wall from the side?

There will be hard cover for the pool that requires that the coping on the wall between the pool and spa be continuous. I can actually have a hidden pipe under the coping. I believe the pipe needs to be higher than pool water line . So that is an option

If i run the pump where it draws from the spa, filters it and then returns it to the spa, and it is done every day for some period of time, will that be another way to supply fresh water? But i suppose the filtering isnt the only thing. With no spillover, it will make be two separate water bodies and have to maintain chemistry separately.
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Auto-fill plumbing

JoyfulNoise
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So you don't recommend just changing to a brass nipple? Just ordered one from Amazon so I'll have it. I guess depends how corroded the brass threads are after 14 years.
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You can just replace the nipple too. I'm a bit OCD, so I would do everything anyway since the water is going to be off. The brass fittings will be fine, they don't corrode. It's the cast iron that corrodes and breaks down since the brass (mostly copper and zinc) is more noble than iron. This is why fittings should never be mixed like that and any plumber that knows their trade knows you DON'T do that. So I'm guessing whoever was put in charge of making that autofill connection was probably not the licensed plumber but someone's assistant. Around here it happens a lot because the plumber with the license is the business owner and he (or she) rarely does sweaty work. They hire cheap labor or kids right out of trade school that know nothing and they send them out to deal with the customers. Then you wind up with nonsense like what you have there ...

You can easily clean up those fittings with a stiff wire brush. Just make sure when you attach the nipple you wind layer of teflon tape on to the threads and then apply a small dab of teflon paste on to the tape. Then thread it into the fitting and tighten it down. Tape + paste creates a leak-proof seal. It's a trick I learned from my grandpa who wasn't ever licensed at anything but could rewire and replumb an entire house without missing a thing.

He also tested for live wires by touching them to the back of his thumb to see what kind of shock it produced ... he could tell 120 from 240 without fail ... I don't recommend his method of voltage testing ....
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I want to upgrade my SWCG - what work is needed?

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What is the exact model number of the superpump?

I'd get the cell.

And for about $500, I'd upgrade your existing pump with a V-Green EVO or Nidec Neptune variable speed motor. A GO KIT 3 will have the needed shaft seal, O ring, gaskets, etc.

Or get a 3hp Calimar for about $500.
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Auto-fill plumbing

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Yeah, they got lazy. They used a cast iron nipple between the Tee and the valve probably because they didn't have that length in brass.

I would rebuild everything coming out of the wall but you're going to have to shutoff the main water since it's on the pressure side unless that pipe has its own shutoff somewhere else. You may want to take that picture with you and a bunch of measurements down to the hardware store and see what's available in brass. Often times, brass nipples aren't always stocked in varying sizes (because good plumbers can cut their own copper pipe to make whatever size they need or they'll braze on fittings they need). So you may need to skip the big box stores and go to a plumbing supply store. They're more likely to have a wider selection of fittings and precut nipples.
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So you don't recommend just changing to a brass nipple? Just ordered one from Amazon so I'll have it. I guess depends how corroded the brass threads are after 14 years.
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Auto-fill plumbing

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Yeah, they got lazy. They used a cast iron nipple between the Tee and the valve probably because they didn't have that length in brass.

I would rebuild everything coming out of the wall but you're going to have to shutoff the main water since it's on the pressure side unless that pipe has its own shutoff somewhere else. You may want to take that picture with you and a bunch of measurements down to the hardware store and see what's available in brass. Often times, brass nipples aren't always stocked in varying sizes (because good plumbers can cut their own copper pipe to make whatever size they need or they'll braze on fittings they need). So you may need to skip the big box stores and go to a plumbing supply store. They're more likely to have a wider selection of fittings and precut nipples.
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Since Spring in starting in the US ...

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I just wanted to put it out there to people who close up the hot tub for the winter - you may want to open the cabinet to see if you have any mice or rats living in it.

We are in the process of getting rid of ours, it's 20 YO and it hasn't been working for about 8 years. I was going to put new pumps in once I retired and get it back to almost new. A tree branch put a hole in our deck on Jan 1 and it'll cost us almost as much to put the pumps in (and have 20 YO electronics) as it'll cost us just close the hole and put a deck in it's place. In the years I had it running (~12 years) I never had any issues with mice or rats living in it. Even after I stopped using it I didn't think I was having issues and then I realized I did. I opened the tub today to remove the electrical supply wires so the contractor can do his work and saw that basically whatever had a good time burrowing holes in the foam. There would be no way to disinfect the tub from the stuff mice and rats may carry.

It may not be a concern with tubs that are used all the time in the winter but if you do winterize it maybe think about just opening up the skirt to see if you need to do something about visitors..
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It's worse for running tubs as they provide warmth and usually some water too. Anything that can get in there will make it a home. I've found mice, chipmunks, squirrels, racoons, snakes, huge spiders, even bird nests.
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Repair Wet Edge Plaster without Draining the Pool?

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I had my pool installed this past summer and the interior finish is Wet Edge Primera Stone. It had a few issues in the finish where there are some rough spots, a few spots that the cream didn't get properly sanded, a few divots and an uneven area by a light. The installer is great and will come back to fix these items. My question is has anyone had their wet edge primera stone repaired? Can they do this with water in the pool or do I need to actually fully drain the pool?
I appreciate your feedback!
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Pool Spa combo without spillover

Jimrahbe
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As a general rule, pools with spas spillover because that is how the spa gets fresh water..

The other option is to have two sets of equipment, one for the spa and another set for the pool..

When the spa is higher than the pool, but an actually spillover can't be used, then you can spill 'over' into a hidden pipe that then empties into the pool.

I am not sure how to do it with both the pool and spa at the same height.. Will the water level in the spa be the same as the water level in the pool??

Why does it have to be this way??

Thanks,

Jim R.
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