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Need some help on a main drain cover

Why did they change to a non-optimal drain cover?
Drain covers are required to meet the 2021 Virginia Graeme Baker Pool and Spa Safety Act (VGBA Act) when the pool is modified.


The 2021 act required the cover to be certified with the sump. You cannot put a cover on a sump it is not certified for.

How best to seal vinyl liner at light niche?

I tried to get the liner out of the track in that section, but it wouldn't budge. The liner is 11 years old, so it's been in there a while. The heat gun / hot water trick is a great suggestion. If I ever get in this situation again, I'd look into doing that to try and soften the liner a bit. From what I can see, the liner needs to go down an inch or more to align the screw holes, and it didn't want to budge. There is some liner still behind the niche outer ring, so I ended up using the butyl tape around that entire ring on the inside and outside (effectively using it as a gasket). I then patched the 4 exposed screw holes, which are just outside the niche ring. I filled the pool a few inches above there, and it held. I then filled it above the patch on my steps, and that held. Now I have the pool filled and am running the filter. I'll monitor it carefully from here. Thanks again for the suggestions!

High free chlorine

Your RJ-60 will make 2ppm of chlorine a day running pump 24x7 and 20% output.
It really depends on the pool, how much it will use on a daily basis.
Is your CYA really 90?
Do this test starting at #8:

Do you use a solar cover?
Does the pool get full sunlight?
We can make a general recommendation knowing these things to get you to the 17th.
I do all my testing with the TF pro kit with salt.

My sonar acid is 90 if not 100. I never rely on Lesly‘s testing which is why I bought my own test kit and to prove to myself that there was bad as this board said they were years ago. I took the same water sample to three Lesly‘s and got three remarkedly different test results. At that point, I started drinking the Kool-Aid around here.

My pump is running 10 hours a day currently it was set at 60% and I dropped it to 50% looking for feedback on if that’s the proper percentage to leave it at I would like my free chlorine to drop into the green zone for a 90 CYA.

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Need some help on a main drain cover

Why did they change to a non-optimal drain cover? Post a pic of it and someone might have an idea of what you can use instead. Since they didn't change the drain itself (or did they dig it out and replace it) then you could probably put the old style back on because the screw holes should be the same as before. Do you not have a QuickSkim with venturi water streaming under the skimmer basket? Have you turned the valve to 70-80% drain and tried that? How was it all set up before, if you know. (the techs might have messed with the valves)

New pool owner trying to understand test strip reading

So, in that case would you do 2.5 pounds at one skimmer and 2.5 at the other? I have skimmer socks to use.

So for stabilizer. Pool math is telling me to add about 5 pounds to get to 50ppm.
That's fine for now.
So, in that case would you do 2.5 pounds at one skimmer and 2.5 at the other? I have skimmer socks to use.
No, put the CYA into a human sock, tie it off and hang it 6-12 inches out in front of a return.
Regarding liquid chlorine to get up to 8ppm (top range for 50 cya) I would need to add 93 oz of chlorine. When I did the pool math before the overnight test I added what it said to get it to 6 but it only raised it to 4.5. So should I just put a whole gallon of LC in instead this time?
So either your chlorine is old, or your pool volume is wrong.
What are the dimension of your pool. L, W, D shallow and D deep?
Post a picture of the LC jug where the imprinted some numbers.
As for pump I don’t think that money each month would be a big deal. Might just program it to 2200 for 24/7. Would it hurt anything if I had it at 2200rpm from like 8am-10pm and then have it off overnight? To give the pump a brake. (Like it is scheduled as default)
Run it 24/7. Pumps are made to run. Starting and stopping pumps are hard on them. Running them is not hard on them.
As for muriatic acid, it says 34 oz to get it down to 7.6 (I think I’m around 8 now). Might be higher than I think because I put that amount in last time and it didn’t seems to lower TA or pH at all.
Post a pic of your MA bottle.
Last question for now, can I add all of this at the same time or focus on one at a time? What I mean is can I address pH, stabilizer, and chlorine at the same time?
Stabilizer can be in the pool for adding anything else. Wait 10 minutes between adding acid and chlorine. Brush a bunch after adding either.

New pool owner trying to understand test strip reading

Great. Let's get 30ppm of stabilizer in socks. Hang in front of returns, carrot on a stick style. Let it dissolve. You can squeeze the sock to help it dissolve.

Once the sock hits the water, assume your CYA is 50 (your test looks like *maybe* 20, and you are adding 30, so 50 for now). Add enough liquid chlorine to get your FC up to the top of the range for your CYA of 50. See here. Link-->FC/CYA Levels
Turn your chlorinator up to 40%. Will likely be too high for this time of the year, but that is ok. Remember, FC up to SLAM level is ok for people and equipment. Better to be high, than low. You may be switching your cell between 20/40/60, to keep your FC in range. FC is consumed by UV primarily. Shoulder seasons (April/May and Sept/Oct) UV is lower. June July Aug, UV is higher. You just need to adjust your %output up and down to maintain FC in range for your CYA.

Once the CYA is dissolved, wait 24-48 hours and retest CYA.
CYA - Cyanuric Acid Test

The pump side is more difficult.
The easiest would be to set your pump speed at 2200 for all three programs and forget about it. 2200, with a superflo should give you the 30GPM the heater needs. Gas heaters are better at heating quickly, HP do better when maintaining a temp. The best strategy may be to just run the 2200 and HP on all the time to maintain temp.

The alternative is to test the RPM to run the SWG. Use the down arrows to lower the RPM, until the low flow light comes on the SWG. Then add 200 RPM and program your pump to run at that speed 24/7. When you want to heat, and you turn on the heater, you will need to re-program your superflo to run 2200 RPM 24/7.

We are pinching pennies with the pump and the HP. Running a low speed, like 1400 will be $20/month electricity cost, 2200 will be like $60/month. Being a teacher with an infant, (*I don't know*??), $$ is important. Programming/re-programming the pump to run SWG at low flow 1400 vs. 2200 when you want to run HP is a chore. The trade-off is yours to decide. If you have the funds, set the pump to run 2200 24/7 and forget it.

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Use muriatic acid to lower your pH to 7.2 to 7.4. Do it in .4 increments. Add enough to lower pH by .4, wait 30 minutes, and test, add again until you get 7.2 to 7.4. Then leave pH alone. It will rise naturally. When pH gets over 8 (purple hues), repeat the process to lower to 7.2-7.4. When you add acid, pH and TA drops. pH will rise naturally. Over time your TA will come down. When TA gets to 60-80, STOP lowering pH to 7.2-7.4, pH should stabilize around 7.8-8.0, which is just fine. I would test your fill water for TA.

At this point, other than maintaining FC for your CYA, and maintaining a pH in the range of 7.0 to 8.0, you are golden.

Good Job!

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Appreciate all the info!

So for stabilizer. Pool math is telling me to add about 5 pounds to get to 50ppm.

So, in that case would you do 2.5 pounds at one skimmer and 2.5 at the other? I have skimmer socks to use.

Regarding liquid chlorine to get up to 8ppm (top range for 50 cya) I would need to add 93 oz of chlorine. When I did the pool math before the overnight test I added what it said to get it to 6 but it only raised it to 4.5. So should I just put a whole gallon of LC in instead this time?

As for pump I don’t think that money each month would be a big deal. Might just program it to 2200 for 24/7. Would it hurt anything if I had it at 2200rpm from like 8am-10pm and then have it off overnight? To give the pump a brake. (Like it is scheduled as default)

As for muriatic acid, it says 34 oz to get it down to 7.6 (I think I’m around 8 now). Might be higher than I think because I put that amount in last time and it didn’t seems to lower TA or pH at all.

Last question for now, can I add all of this at the same time or focus on one at a time? What I mean is can I address pH, stabilizer, and chlorine at the same time?

Ok I am a blank page- we are getting a back yard pool for the first time- need as much advice as I can get

VA season runs June through September, with warm water only in July and August -- IF you use a bubble cover to capture the sun heat. That's a lot of work for essentially two months of pool time, which typically coincides when you will be away on your vacations a fair bit. So... a heater is a must for full enjoyment in this region. Since I have a soft-side pool, I have to use a solar heater that runs on a separate water circuit. But with your hard sided pool, you can opt for something better. A heat pump option can extend the season April - October without breaking the bank on operation costs. A gas line is the cheapest to operate but requires professional installation and digging deep for the gas lines. Pure electric is the cheapest to install but the highest operations cost. Works fine for areas in the south where they barely need the heater but for us in VA, you will be running up the bill.

Even if you don't install it now, figure out your plan and make certain that the electrician lays out the circuit needed to support it. That might mean a new power circuit for your breaker, adequately sized, a different gauge electric wire in the conduit and in the outlets by the pool. The good people at Raypak have a calculator -- and when I called them they spent a full hour on the phone helping me figure out options. It's worth doing the research now.

In addition, since your pool pump is not double-insulated, make certain that you also build a water bonding system, making sure all systems are connected with a copper wire to avoid a difference in static voltage built between components. Search "Bonding" on this forum, there is a lot of information. Some electricians know about it, some, who dont do pools, don;t. For some reason, the reference page on the PoolSchool seems to have been removed / moved. A hard-sided metal pool will be significantly easier to bond than a soft sided pool. But it HAS to be done.
My electrician came out yesterday. I rented a POJ Trencher, it was a beast! An old beast, but I was able to get the trench dug.
He is running wires through conduit to my storage building, there is going to be a seperate box on the building and separate hook-ups.
There will be a Heater, Pump and SWG. He also ran a separate bonding wire through the conduit. He is going to Bond everything together. I'm glad I ran across the need for Bonding, I feel 100% better about the installation now.

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Ok I am a blank page- we are getting a back yard pool for the first time- need as much advice as I can get

There will be a Heater, Pump and SWG. He also ran a separate bonding wire through the conduit. He is going to Bond everything together. I'm glad I ran across the need for Bonding, I feel 100% better about the installation now.
The bonding wire should not be in the same conduit with high voltage wires.

Low voltage and high voltage wires should not be mixed.

SWG Install and Opening Help

Cleaning brush arrived today and my brother in law is coming over to help me get the steps out. I'll give the steps and the ladder a good scrub. I back washed the filter yesterday and today as my flow started well and then got progressively slower throughout the day. I also vacuumed to waste a bunch of dead algae from the bottom of the pool, so I've had a hose running pretty much all day to try and replace the water. I think I'll retest my CYA during my next FC check because I think it's gone down from the back washing and hose filling and my last FC check I didn't have to add LC because my FC was still above SLAM level (I think because I added based on having a CYA of 50, but if it's lower now I probably added too much). Pool looks much better after vacuuming so hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to post updated pictures of the progress. Appreciate all the help and prompt responses so far. TFP rules.

Ok I am a blank page- we are getting a back yard pool for the first time- need as much advice as I can get

Grounding is for your electrical system. In normal operations, in a basic sense, electricity comes into a device on the hot wire, and leaves on the neutral (not really, but for these purposes the idea is just fine). The ground is there to provide an alternate return path should something go awry (such as a metal part coming in contact with a hot) allowing the fault to trip the breaker.

A bond connects two different conductors that would not otherwise be connected, so that they are at the same electrical potential. If you shuffle your feet across the carpet, you will built up an electric charge in your body - which in an of itself does nothing. But then you touch a metal doorknob and you get a shock. Why? Because you were at a higher potential than the knob, and when you touched it, the potential equalized. It had nothing to do with your household electric service. Now, if you took a piece of wire and connected it to the doorknob and held the other end in your hand, you could shuffle around on the carpet all day long, and when you touched the knob, you would not feel a shock, because you are BONDED to the knob. The bonding allows the electrical potential between you and the knob to remain equal.

To bond a pool, you connect everything in the area that can conduct electricity together with a wire. The metal pool wall, the earth, the water, the metal handrails, the metal pump housing, etc. These things can build up different electrical potentials, just like your hand and the doorknob. However, in some cases, the difference in potential can be quite large (usually because of a problem with the electric service in your area). The earth could be a high potential and the pool water at a low potential (because they are not connected, the water is in a big vinyl bag) but you can walk on the ground with no problem. But then while standing on the ground you stick your hand in the pool, and you get zapped, just like the doorknob, but bigger. Bonding connects all of these things together, so that they all become the same potential and you do not get a shock when bridging between two (of more) of them.
What a great explanation! Thank you! My electrician came out yesterday. I rented a POJ Trencher, it was a beast! An old beast, but I was able to get the trench dug.
He is running wires through conduit to my storage building, there is going to be a seperate box on the building and separate hook-ups.
There will be a Heater, Pump and SWG. He also ran a separate bonding wire through the conduit. He is going to Bond everything together. I'm glad I ran across the need for Bonding, I feel 100% better about the installation now.

Impeller and diffuser wear?

Intelliflo 2VST, last season I noticed reduced pressure on my filter, normal is about 10, but was reading 5-ish.
I was also experiencing an HL2 code on my Raypac heater.
After reading many threads here, I decided to check the impeller, which did not have anything stuck in it.
What I did notice is the surface of the impeller that fits into the diffuser is grooved, the metal insert of the diffuser is a bit rough and is rusted.
Could these issues cause low pressure?
Probably not.

More than likely, there is some other type of suction side blockage.

Skimmer connection

Bumping a very old thread here, but I had this same discovery in my skimmer too. I'm planning to dig out just enough of the rock/dirt to put a threaded plug/cap on it and permanently leave it sealed off.

I think I need to lower water enough in pool to where it's below skimmer, or just briefly turn off my pump, install a skimmer plate temporarily, vacuum out water and such from the skimmer (and as much as I can from that plugged line) then seal it shut with a plug. I don't think it's necessarily a negative that it's there open filled with rocks, but I don't love the sight of it when I open skimmer and pull up my basket. So that's what's leading my desire to plug it up.

Jandy Variable Speed Pump Not Starting

Welcome to TFP!!!

First thing you need to do is get a test kit. We don't rely on strips or pool stores. As a result, we need results from your test kit to give you help. Why? Because the strips and store testing is inaccurate, and we can do more harm than good making recommendations off of inaccurate test results. A proper test kit will save you LOTS of money in the long run.

Here is what we recommend. Link-->Test Kits Compared

Damaged Waterfall Weir

Thanks for the reply. The bottom section of this fixture does look like the Jandy Sheer Decent Waterfall you shared, but my fixture has the unusual 45 degree turn at the top. Makes me wonder if this was actually a Jandy Sheer Arc Waterfall that was incorrectly installed to make it work like a Sheer Descent (maybe there wasn't enough water pressure to get the arc effect). I cannot find any photos or drawings of a Sheer Arc fixture. Could this be Part No. 1218CSA Sheer Arc Waterfall?

I could replace it with the Jandy Sheer Descent with Bottom Feed, but it may not perform exactly like the other existing waterfall fixture.
I just found this in a Jandy catalog. It sure looks like my waterfall, just flipped over and incorrectly installed.

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Damaged Waterfall Weir

Thanks for the feedback. I have used EpoxyBond Pool Putty before on pool fixture cracks (inside my pool skimmer), but never used Plast-Aid. Do you believe that Plast-Aid works better for this type of plastic and crack type than Pool Putty?

I believe so.

Regarding the failure mode. I can understand that any remaining water could be stuck down in this section of the waterfall. However, even if this waterfall was not fully evacuated of water, wouldn't any remaining water have some place to expand to instead of expanding against the waterfall fixture and breaking it? I have attached another photo showing a close up of the failed edge. I don't know enough to determine the failure mode from looking at this.
We are all guessing. Water and freezing works in strange ways.

Damaged Waterfall Weir

Looks like an 18" "Sheer Descent" waterfall by Jandy.
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Thanks for the reply. The bottom section of this fixture does look like the Jandy Sheer Decent Waterfall you shared, but my fixture has the unusual 45 degree turn at the top. Makes me wonder if this was actually a Jandy Sheer Arc Waterfall that was incorrectly installed to make it work like a Sheer Descent (maybe there wasn't enough water pressure to get the arc effect). I cannot find any photos or drawings of a Sheer Arc fixture. Could this be Part No. 1218CSA Sheer Arc Waterfall?

I could replace it with the Jandy Sheer Descent with Bottom Feed, but it may not perform exactly like the other existing waterfall fixture.

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