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When to remove water (from rain fall)

Your setup is somewhat unusual. Most people with cartridge filters do not have a valve that goes to waste. So I think he, like me, thought you had a sand/DE filter with a multiport valve.

You may move the valves while the pump is running just try not to starve the pump of water while doing it. I never shut my pump off before turning valves.
Interesting. Why is that unusual? Just a little background. The PB built us an underground drain for our two gutters on that side of the house and tied in my basement sump pump drain tube and dehumidifier drain tube to the same underground drain pipe.

What do others do to drain water out if they don’t have a waste?

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Pump Union Help

I need to cut the pvc that this cracked union is connected to in order to fit new one on, reconnect the pvc pipe to the pipe I am going to saw it off from and then screw the new union to the pump, right?
That's correct. You'll need to use a coupler to attach a new length of PVC to the union. Make sure you use a union compatible with your SuperFlo pump.

Relay Electrics

It's a Hayward 400fdn. I don't believe it requires a cooldown, and has no fireman switch. It uses that firetile or whatever it is called. (From Memory.)
I wired up the relay yesterday, then realized I probably didn't do it right. I don't have the SWCG or Heater plugged in yet, I wanted to make sure the wiring was right, and ran outa daylight.

the power terminal screw on the pump, I just loosened it and put on a second wire to relay 1 and a third wire to relay 2.
The other power terminal screw, I loosened it and put on a second wire to relay 1 (second leg) and to relay 2 (second leg.)
Even without wires coming out of 'load' on the relays, I was able to test with the multimeter by touching the top of the relay screw. So, I think I have the design down. But putting 3 wires (1 much thicker, and 2 are 12 guage) on the terminal screws doesn't seem wise.

tonight I'm going to swap that out with some wago connectors.

Why didn’t you all tell me about the Wall Whale?

Oh wait… you did! :party:

Got mine a couple days ago and took it out to the pool to just see how it worked, without the time or energy to brush the whole pool.

I brushed the whole pool. I figured it would make a small difference and maybe encourage me to brush more often, but it really was a different and much easier experience!

The actual brush itself is… fine… but I’m already looking on how to pull the tail off and put it onto a brush that better fits my pool curves and corners. Hmmm…

Nasty stain on Pebble Sheen!

Trouble free Pals:

I have a nasty brown stain below one of my returns in the shallow end of my Pebble Sheen pool. The pool is 18 years old and has been terrific. I usually ignore the pool other than a dichlor float during the winter and then start opening the pool around April. I live in Northern California. Well I am paying this year because there is a nasty brown stain in the Pebble Sheen. It brushed off a bit with a metal brush, but appears to be in the Pebble Sheen at this point. I have a little stain remover cup like thing where you can put in some muriatic acid, and then use it at the end of a pole and hold it on the stain. It seems to lighten it a bit, but is very labor intensive and the stain is big! I am including a photo here. Any thoughts on what to do here??

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Intellicenter Automation Help Needed

works like a champ! Thanks for double checking me!

Do we know if the feature to modulate valves at different positions is a feature that they finally released on the intellicenter? I poked around a bit, but didn't find anything that stood out. I'd love to be able to set the valve position different depending on what feature I'm using. ex: Valves set in one position for running just the waterfall and set to a different position if running waterfall and deck jets.
Each valve actuator has two positions it can move to. It has been that way for a long time.

More positions were promised for the IntelliValve but never implemented.

Proper check valve for elevated Spa.

I want to keep my elevated Spa from draining when the pump is off. Got one of the Pentair check valves and it has small holes in the flap. I assume this would not be the kind I am looking for. Also looking for check valves for my blower system and assume I don't want the holes in those as well. Please help me with best option for check valve that doesn't allow bleed through of water.

Pump Basket has air trapped - most of the time.

What is the make/model of the new pump? Pentair VSF 3

What is the RPM when running the booster? 3K

What is the filter pressure when running on full speed with and without the booster? 20 PSI same with or without booster

The booster should not be making that much of a difference unless you are running at very low RPM. I know. That's why I'm having a hard time understanding why it makes any difference at all. I can hear the air in the booster for the first few moments when it starts and see bubbles coming out of the 280 tail.

I think the booster is a clue, not part of the problem. I'm just not sure what it's trying to tell me. It's almost like the pump can't expel the air from the basket on its own but somehow the booster helps to draw it out. It's a separate line from the booster to the pool. Is there any way the pump could be too large for the 1.5" lines? It wouldn't seem that would matter especially lower the flow rate with the pump.

The app is either flow rate or % rpm. I calculated rpm to be 87% to be at 3k which I use as the reference. Not sure what the flow is at that rpm. If I turn off the booste, the air in the pot comes back, even at 3K rpm.

Running DE filter without backwash valve

CP,

I had two rent houses that had DE filters with MPVs.. I too never backwashed, and just took the filters apart twice a year... I bet I could have gone a whole year, as the IntelliFlo pumps ran at 1200 rpm most of the time..

Both MPVs started leaking, or being really hard to turn, so I just removed them.. I ran them that way for 3 or 4 years, without any problems at all.. I recently changed to large cartridges filters and will Never, Ever, go back to DE... :mrgreen:

The "recommendation" to clean or backwash your filter at 25% over clean is just that... A recommendation.. it is not an absolute!!!

At my house, I have a large cartridge filter that I clean once a year.. At my normal operating speed of 1200 RPM, my filter pressure is about 1 or 2 lbs. and even after a year usually about 3 psi.

Thanks,

Jim R.

Help in Overhauling Load Center / Automation - Mostly Pentair

Hi TFP Community,

Had my 16x32 inground pool renovated last year with all new plumbing, liner, coping and patio and even extended shallow end by filling in deep end to raise it to only ~6' making it now about a 19k gal pool. No spa, no water features, and only 1 light.

I'm adding pool heater and SWG now and with it need to make some electrical upgrades / clean up but can't splurge and also don't need sophisticated automation. Any recommendations for 'semi-automation'? Since the pump already has a built in timer but want to control when the SWG is on, what options do I have or how would you build this out? The only convenience other than making sure the pump and the SWG and heat come on and off when they should, I may want to turn on the heater while not home to give a chance to heat up for when we get home.

I likely need a load center / subpanel which I don't have now for the Heater + Pump + SWG. I was looking at the InteliConnect for ~$500 but still need to add the load center, I can find the Pentair 522353 EasyTouch PL4 Control System w/ Screenlogic for ~($1200 on ebay), or can try to do something with the Load center and wireless timer below for the SWG?

Any other recommendations welcomed!

https://a.co/d/75H80OJ <- Load center

https://a.co/d/a5fKOh7 <- Wireless Controller / Timer

Here's the equipment I have:
  • Pentair IntelliFlo 3HP VSP Model 011018 (overkill, but I got it cheap years ago)
  • Pentair Mastertemp 400HD 460805
    • Will install manual bypass with check valve
  • Hayward Goldline AquaRite power center + 40k W3T-Cell-T15
  • Pentair diverter valves
  • (1) Pool Light
Future:
  • May have landscaping lighting that would tie back to same load center

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Running DE filter without backwash valve

You say I need the valve, but I still don’t know why I would need it.
1. You get algae and need to backwash more than you think.
2. An internal part in the filter breaks and you need to put the mpv in recirculate to bypass the filter but keep the system running.
3. You get a lot of rain and want to bleed off some water to get the pool back to normal operating levels, so you pump to waste.

Just 3 quick examples but there are more….Your money your choice.

RPM changes from EasyTouch setting

Can you please remind me how to check the versions on the various devices. I can't see where any of the screens tell me the version of the App on the iPhone. Not sure how to check anything else.

Going to Pentair website it looks like the last version was posted in 2019. I can't recall having updated anything for many many years so maybe it is old, but it worked until a month or so ago. The only thing I did was found the old MobilTouch and plugged it in.


Thanks

Running DE filter without backwash valve

I would be very surprised that you could run a DE filter for an entire year and never need to backwash once. We get dust storms you know. Obviously it helps that you take it apart and clean it two times per year and that along with perhaps a very large DE filter could be the explanation. But yet, an MPV valve could be just what you need to avoid one of those teardowns.

Running DE filter without backwash valve

I found/heard the recommendations in various places - here, reddit, pool store.

My filter clean PSI is around 10 and after the entire season when i was disassemblying it for cleaning it was around 11-12 so below your 25% recommendation.

You say I need the valve, but I still don’t know why I would need it. I would understand if I had to do it weekly, even monthly, but to do it once a year seems like a waste of plastic…

Step Jet Returns or Not

Not so much on circulation but more about dirt accumulating on the shelf.

Yes, any pump can handle that but it may require running at higher RPM $$.


If wind blows right to left, the skimmer should be in the deep end where all the surface debris will end up. Also, with that size pool, 2 skimmers is a bit overkill. But it looks like they already cut out the skimmer locations so maybe it is too late?
I was told 1 skimmer can cover 400sq-ft of pool so since this was slightly over, I decided to go with 2. Thanks for the input on the other items.

Swim Spa Open when Pool is closed

Hello,

New pool owner here (via home purchase), and had some questions about the spa.

What would be required in order to use the Swim Spa year round, even while the pool is winterized? Would you recommend using in the winter? The heater for the spa is gas, so I'm presuming it could keep up with the colder temps.

Also, where would be the best place to find covers for the swim spa? It has a spillover ledge, so cover would need to cover up that to stop heat loss.

Thank you!

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