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A little help please.... With 23K gallon inground pebble tech pool

So what exactly is my reading?
Essentially zero. If the fluid was at least cloudy, call it less than 20. Add 10 ppm worth of CYA and call it 30 ppm until you test again in a few days.
I have heard that baking soda can also be used instead of higher priced chemicals but I forget what that replaces.
Baking Soda adds TA. You do not need any. Never will.
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Should I use submersible pump

My pool pump is down after opening and not sure when it will be fixed (I’m renting). The pool was a swamp upon opening.

Been adding shock everyday (I know this isn’t TFP recommended. I have a very particular landlord. I figure I will deal with the calcium hardness later when the pool is up and running and do it the TFP way then, but for now, I don’t want to p*ss him off even more than he is) and mixing it around manually.

I’m seeing mosquitoes floating on the water and I’m scared it’ll become a breeding ground.

Should I put in a submersible pump to help circulate and mix the shock? How many HP should I buy?should I run all day long?

NEED OPINIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ABOUT WATER LINES

Having our large in-ground gunite Jacuzzi resurfaced. Have had it resurfaced twice before with no issues. This time we are replacing the old jacked out surface with quartz. When they were hand jacking the old surface material out, they jacked through the end caps of 2 PVC pipes, one is bigger than the other. We have no idea what these pipes were for but as they were close to the bottom and on the side we were assuming they were for foot jets that weren't installed originally, hence the pipes were capped. The demolition crew went really deep at the spot were the pipes were hidden deep in the gunite, hence that is how they became damage and we were made aware of their existence. Question, what is the likelihood of any of the down line pipe and joints being damaged by the jacking of the caps and having leaks? The pool company is refusing to assume any liability as they said they did not know the pipes were there. Not sure how to handle this. thumbnail.jpg

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Super Confused About Valves - Returns, Skimmers, and Main Drain

The returns are sending water back to the pool. They won't make a difference. The other set of valves are your suction valves and control balance between the main drain (bottom of the pool) and the skimmers.

The diverter valves should have a tab opposite the handle side that says off.

In the photo, the valve directly in front of the pump is pulling 100% suction from the bottom drain. If you turn it 180°, so that off is facing main drain, you will be pulling 100% from the skimmers.

The skimmers valve is currently pulling 50% from each skimmer. The position of the handle is in the middle. If you turn it 90°, so the handle is facing down, you'll have full suction from the shallow end skimmer.

There's really no reason to have 100% suction from your main drain. Keep the handle facing skimmers take care of floating debris.
Questions:

In the photo, the valve directly in front of the pump is pulling 100% suction from the bottom drain. If you turn it 180°, so that off is facing main drain, you will be pulling 100% from the skimmers. - Why would I do that? Is it normal to pull 100% from skimmers are not from main drain? whats the purpose / difference between pulling from skimmers vs main drain?

The skimmers valve is currently pulling 50% from each skimmer. The position of the handle is in the middle. If you turn it 90°, so the handle is facing down, you'll have full suction from the shallow end skimmer. - So basically, if I want to use the vacuum, on the deep end of the skimmer, then that handle should be facing 12 o'clock? and if I want to use the vacuum on the shallow end skimmer, that handle should be facing 6 o'clock? Also, what about the main drain, where should that be pointing to?

There's really no reason to have 100% suction from your main drain. - Why? Keep the handle facing skimmers take care of floating debris.

A little help please.... With 23K gallon inground pebble tech pool

What is confusing? You have to be specific in order to expect help.
I guess for the first part, in doing the CYA test, after mixing up the correct amounts of pool water and the associated reagent (The large container) correctly shaking and waiting at least 30 seconds and then a final shake before filling the vile with the black dot in it. I slowly filled the entire vile with the mixed solution but could always see the black dot when holding at waist level. So what exactly is my reading? Seems like the marks on the vial near the top were around 15-20? I did not bring my laminated cheat card to work today, so maybe I am missing a step, or a calculation in that process.

The other questions are what is Dry Chlorine Stabilizer, and where should I get this from? My goal is to try and stay away from Leslies as they seem like such a rip off.

As I have posted my current results, is there a shopping list I should be getting so I dont have to go back to the store to pick up this or that several times a day or week? Or something I can compare to for some of the things I have currently? I have completely drained and refilled the pool as I noted at the beginning of this thread. I have posted the things I have done. Our water is nice and clear. There was some algae growth starting around the top 2-4' around the upper pool wall which is the reason I took a sample in to Leslies for some help. But then decided to come back here because I know the help would be better and nobody will try to sell me things I dont need.

I can follow the step by step directions, but I must be missing something because it is just not clear to me. I need to research more about the pool math app which I do have as maybe that is what will give some guidance or calculations I am missing.

I have heard that baking soda can also be used instead of higher priced chemicals but I forget what that replaces.

I am just running on little sleep and also away from home a lot so an hourly or every couple hour option will not work for me. I can do a morning and evening testing and adjustment right now.

Once my wife returns home from visiting family she will be able to help out at least 5 days a week when she is not at work.

I will try and go over everything again tomorrow and see if I can get some sort of grasp on what the process needs to be. I do have the LC I purchased and have been adding a gallon each day.
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Super Confused About Valves - Returns, Skimmers, and Main Drain

Currently your photo shows the following
The 3 way valve directly in front of pump suction is CLOSED to the skimmer and OPEN to only the main drain.
The 3 way valve between the skimmers is OPEN to both skimmers but it doesn’t matter as the 3 way valve in front of the pump is CLOSED.

To create suction from 1 skimmer do the following
Turn off pump
Rotate the 3-way valve in front of the pump 180 degrees such that the main drain is CLOSED and the skimmers will be OPEN
Rotate the 3-way valve 90 degrees such that 1 skimmer is OPEN and the other is CLOSED
Insert your vacuum hose into the skimmer that is OPEN
Turn on pump.
Questions:

The 3 way valve directly in front of pump suction is CLOSED to the skimmer and OPEN to only the main drain. - What happens if I move the 'Main Drain' valve 90 degrees to the left?
The 3 way valve between the skimmers is OPEN to both skimmers but it doesn’t matter as the 3 way valve in front of the pump is CLOSED. - I dont understand what this means?

First time opening, leaftrapper

The plug didn't work for me, I didn't want to tighten it much and my compressor was woefully inadequate anyway.

What has worked is continuing to block the jet for 15 seconds or so, so the pressure from the pump pushes water and gunk out of the majn drain and causes trapped gunk in the line to flow into the bag... and cleaning the bag a lot. The flow from the main drain is much better now.

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Yellow timer

I installed the new one and am testing it. I think something is wrong. everything is powered up fine which was a relief.

In testing the timer, I turned on the SWG and then set the knob so that it would hit the off and turn off. Well it got to the off, I heard the noise of the peg go. But the switch did not move to the off position. I notice there’s like goopy stuff on the mechanism that is behind the yellow timer. I thought that was weird but then I saw that this is also on the old timer and it worked fine for 10 years.
I am now trying the “on” knob to see if that works.

Any thoughts?

Raising the water level

Roger,

I had assumed that if you had an overflow in your auto-fill that you would not have an overflow port in the pool.. :scratch:

If they are both overflow ports, the the lower one wins... :mrgreen:

I have a fill line in the back of my skimmer.. To keep junk out of it, I just took a short piece of 1/2" pvc pipe and glued a cap on one end.. I stick that into the hole (No glue) so I can remove it when I want to use the fill line..

You could do something similar to plug the hole in the back of your auto-fill..

Thanks,

Jim R.
Great tip, I’ll do that, thanks!

Roger

New Pool owner🚨 pump and flow rate benefits?

Hey everyone, new pool owner here. Desperately need some advice. From my research Trouble? free pool seems like the community I would trust. I obviously realize companies like this would be in my family’s best interest. So we can finally enjoy the pool!

So I do have a few concerns. First being that I have a
•20,000-22,500 gallon pool (Gunite/plaster)
• Pentair TA-60D sand filter (Zeo Sand)
• Raypak natural gas R336A 336,000 BTU
•1 Centry 1 HP pool pump
•3 return jets (4th was for a Polaris booster pump) got a Nautilus CC Plus instead. Now it just has a eyeball return cover on it.

Sorry for the lengthy message but I really want to make sure everything is correct for my kids to enjoy the pool. Last year I only had 1 month which I was the majority of time cleaning (Behind my yard about 20 feet has some large trees) or having to crank my heater a day prior and hope nothing comes up next day so I can actually enjoy it.

Main concern currently is the 1HP Centry pump is that enough? Also what are the advantages of upgrading it to say a 1.5HP-2HP? Variable or dual speed? Also how do I determine the current Flow Rate? (For filtration, faster heating raypak recommend 50-70GPM, energy efficiency, most importantly, enjoying the new pool with my kids. Also was thinking of adding solar cover and reel to retain the heat and evaporation.

Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to help in advance. God bless everybody!

Gasket removal from Pentair multi-port valve

Very long term pool tech here. After Pentair bought out PacFab, they started supergluing the gaskets into the multi-port valve body.
I used to have no problem replacing these when Pac Fab made them. (Actually Hayward built them for PacFab).
I guess Pentair would rather sell new valves than a $15 gasket. Anyone know how to get these gaskets out?
Solvents damage the valve body. For this and many other reasons, I'm not very happy with what the manufacturers are putting out.
Anyone have a solution?

Deep End Dimensions For Safety

Hi Everyone. We are having our sport pool dug out to have a deep end now that our kids are teenagers. What are your recommendations for dimensions to increase safety? I understand 8’ is the minimum depth for us to have a diving board. Is that water depth or to top of coping? What about the distance to the sloped floor? I want to make sure no one dives out and hits the sloped portion. Thanks in advance for the input.

A little help please.... With 23K gallon inground pebble tech pool

It's pretty simple, just follow each step.
Generally,
You want to add 30ppm of CYA.
Then your Target FC is 12.
lower your pH

The slam part is that you test FC, then add enough chlorine to get back to slam level fc.
wait a couple hours, do it again, wait a couple hours do it again.

Then at night you want to do the OCLT. Because there is no UV, you should not lose FC at night. Link-->Overnight Chlorine Loss Test

When you pass OCLT
Your CC <= .5
and
Your water is clear clear no dead alive algae or debris

You are done.

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