Moving.. Going to do a DIY Build.

[kimkats]

I support what Allen said. Get it right from the beginning.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Either way, due to supply issues I may end up with a temporary cartridge filter.)

SW,

If you go with a large cartridge filter you will never, ever go back to a DE filter...

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[ShallowWater]

I’m old school 10 to like DE filters. It is my understanding that DE filter down to a small particle size than a filter can.

 

[Newdude]

I’m old school 10 to like DE filters. It is my understanding that DE filter down to a small particle size than a filter can

You are correct. Except. You can't come close to seeing the 25 micron difference between sand (the 'worst') and DE (the best).

Besides, as all 3 filters get dirty, the crud traps even finer crud increasing their productivity. IMO the sand filter probably benefits the most from this and catches up to the other 2 quick.

But your general specs are

Sand : down to 30 microns
Carts: down to 10 microns
De: down to 5 microns.

One micron is 1/24,500 of an inch. The specs are nothing but bragging rights.

 

[Jimrahbe]

I’m old school 10 to like DE filters. It is my understanding that DE filter down to a small particle size than a filter can.

SW,

I stand by my original statement that if you used a larger cartridge filter you would never go back to DE.

I am a case in point. I have two rent house pools that have DE filters. When I built my pool, I really, really, really wanted another DE filter. My city requires that any DE filters be plumbed into the sewer which was just not possible at my house. I was "forced" to use a large cartridge filter. That was about 8 years ago.

I now would not go back to using a DE filter if it was free.

It would be impossible for you to look at my water and visually tell if I have a DE filter or a cartridge filter.

No DE to mess with, no MVP valve to leak or go bad, dirt simple plumbing, low back pressure, no backwashing and lower pump speeds.

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[Newdude]

@SSharp won our June picture contest with a sand filter. The theme was water clarity.




So. Yeah. If you're reading about online horror stories, I fault the user, not the filter.

 

[ShallowWater]

SW,

I stand by my original statement that if you used a larger cartridge filter you would never go back to DE.

I am a case in point. I have two rent house pools that have DE filters. When I built my pool, I really, really, really wanted another DE filter. My city requires that any DE filters be plumbed into the sewer which was just not possible at my house. I was "forced" to use a large cartridge filter. That was about 8 years ago.

I now would not go back to using a DE filter if it was free.

It would be impossible for you to look at my water and visually tell if I have a DE filter or a cartridge filter.

No DE to mess with, no MVP valve to leak or go bad, dirt simple plumbing, low back pressure, no backwashing and lower pump speeds.

Thanks,

Jim R.

Well I should listen to the experts! I'm old school on DE but I also understand the issues with them, especially dealing with DE!

So with no MVP (Multi Valve Port?) valve there's no backwashing to do or valve to maintain (OR PURCHASE). Now that you're getting me hyped up about going with a "large" cartridge filter, do you have a recommendation?

 

[ShallowWater]

@SSharp won our June picture contest with a sand filter. The theme was water clarity.

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So. Yeah. If you're reading about online horror stories, I fault the user, not the filter.

I'd like to see what @SSharp 's Tile estimate was! The tile I'm looking at is not cheap and if that's the whole pool, a la Mexican Resort, it must have cost a small fortune.

Here's what we're looking at for our Mid Century Modern Home:

Koi Pond from ModWalls. We have a loyalty discount with them that'll save a few bucks on this purchase.

Brio Glass Mosaic Tile | Custom Blend

Brio Glass Mosaic Tile - DESIGNED BY YOU! Your home is unique, now your tile can be too! Choose up to 8 colors from our 36 color palette. Choose your percentage of each color. We'll do the rest! We hand-assemble your blend using your unique formula. Your custom tile will arrive sheeted and ready...

www.modwalls.com

 

[ShallowWater]

I will not help your budget.

I would go with the IntelliCenter bundle for about $500 more then the EasyTouch + ScreenLogic cost.

Pentair Automation Systems - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com

Heat pump is more expensive to acquire then a gas heater. Do you have a spa? Depends how you are going to use the heater.

Pentair has a Heat Pump Calculator to determine the appropriate size Heat Pump for your location. Pentair seems to do honest calculations based on the physics and efficiencies of each type of pump and energy source.

Raypak also has a Heat Pump Heater Sizing App.

To get the most accurate cost comparison you should change the default electric kwh, natural gas price, and propane price to actual prices in your area.

I would not get GloBrite lights. They have too much early failure. Use Microbrite lights.

Pentair LED Pool Lights - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com

How to select pool equipment - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com

Equipment Pad Best Practices - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com

Heat Pump is out of my mind..

Microbrite lights it is.

For the IntelliCenter, is this the one? Does it come with the actuator valves? Pentair's website doesn't say.

521906

IntelliCenter System (Load Center with i5PS Personality Kit)

USA

Yes, IC40

Yes

Yes

 

[SSharp]

I will not lie, I our big 'ol sand filter! She does a spectacular job. . And we don't have tile, that's our vinyl liner!

 

[ajw22]

For the IntelliCenter, is this the one? Does it come with the actuator valves? Pentair's website doesn't say.

521906

IntelliCenter System (Load Center with i5PS Personality Kit)

USA

Yes, IC40

Yes

Yes

Pentair IntelliCenter i5PSIC40 Kit - Pool and Spa with Load Center and IC40

IntelliCenter Kit i5PS, IC40, LC (w/ Salt) -- Model Code: 5PSIC40
The following items are included in the Pentair IntelliCenter 5PSIC40 Control System kit:

• Pentair IntelliCenter Control System Outdoor Control Panel (mounted in the load center)
• Pentair IntelliCenter Control System Load Center with Pentair IntelliChlor Transformer
• High power wireless connection kit.
• Pentair IntelliChlor IC40 Cell Kit
• Two Pentair IntelliValve Motorized valve actuators
• Temperature Sensors: Water Sensor (25 foot cable, o-ring and hose clamp) and Air Sensor (with short cable).
• Pentair IntelliCenter Control System Installation Guide

 

[ShallowWater]

Pentair IntelliCenter i5PSIC40 Kit - Pool and Spa with Load Center and IC40

IntelliCenter Kit i5PS, IC40, LC (w/ Salt) -- Model Code: 5PSIC40
The following items are included in the Pentair IntelliCenter 5PSIC40 Control System kit:

• Pentair IntelliCenter Control System Outdoor Control Panel (mounted in the load center)
• Pentair IntelliCenter Control System Load Center with Pentair IntelliChlor Transformer
• High power wireless connection kit.
• Pentair IntelliChlor IC40 Cell Kit
• Two Pentair IntelliValve Motorized valve actuators
• Temperature Sensors: Water Sensor (25 foot cable, o-ring and hose clamp) and Air Sensor (with short cable).
• Pentair IntelliCenter Control System Installation Guide

So the 521906 Control Center is the one I should get?

 

[ajw22]

So the 521906 Control Center is the one I should get?

Yup.

How many gallons will your new pool have?

 

[ShallowWater]

Yup.

How many gallons will your new pool have?

Under 12,000 gallons, closer to 10,000 gallons. 15 x 30 x 3 is 1350 cf x 7.48 is actually just over 10,000 gallons. This is why I'm wondering why my guy is recommending an 80 sf filter..

Recommendations on cartridge filters are appreciated!

 

[ajw22]

CCP420 or 520

 

[ShallowWater]

So I need to get my plumber to get me an updated equipment list including these items.

Intelicenter 521906

NO MultiPort Valve = no backwash hassle

Microbrite lights

Cartridge Filter but what make and model?

Did I miss anything?

 

[ajw22]

You want a drain to waste valve and line between the pump and filter if going with a cartridge filter.

 

[ShallowWater]

You want a drain to waste valve and line between the pump and filter if going with a cartridge filter.

I assume that is just a two-way gate valve as opposed to a multi port valve?

Is this to drain the pool or the filter?

 

[Jimrahbe]

SW,

You don't "need" any valve between the pump and the filter, but it makes sense to add a 3-way Jandy valve. This would allow you to shut off the filter when you open the pump lid to clean the pump basket, and it will also allow you to drain or vacuum to waste if wanted. If you don't think you will ever use the drain to waste, then a 2-way Jandy valve will work fine.

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[ShallowWater]

Thanks Jim. Seems a manual 3 Way Valve should be fine?