New pool build in Missouri. Finally started. First pool. Lots of pictures!

Rich D

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Another unrelated question: Friday they did some excavation near my house foundation. Over the weekend a decent amount of water started pooling where they excavated which increased over time. I was worried they hit a pipe, but they said that it was just water that was trapped at our foundation. Does this sound right
Difficult to say without pictures and more information. How deep did they dig beside the foundation? Did they go all the way down to the bottom of the footing? Your foundation should have a perimeter drain down at the bottom of the wall or the bottom of the footing to keep any ground water from entering the basement.

How close were they to the crushed stone that was installed to backfill the pool? It is possible that water is pooling in that crushed stone and heading towards the house. Have you pumped any water from the well point?

Did he leave you any ability to check the ground water level around the pool?

Is that 6-inch green pipe I see in the pictures where the well point is? if so can you run a tape measure down there and find where the water level is?
 

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You can have your waterline tile cut smaller and turned on the tip to add interest. You can space them out quite a bit as well. That will make them more of an accent type of thing.

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MUPPPP

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Sorry I did not respond to your last post RichD. But I got acceptable answers to all your questions! Thanks!

We have progress, but it ain't fast. I think that's how it is here in middle America where they have limited crew and can't slap up a pool in a few weeks like they can in Texas and Florida and whatnot.

We've got the retaining wall mostly finished, got concrete footing done for the rock waterfall/waterslide, got our equipment pad plumbing laid out, got trenches dug for electricity and water autofill, got the waterslide put in today, and got our ivory travertine delivered today.

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Rich D

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For what it's worth, we are looking for something similar to this as far as our slide/waterfall.
That will be really cool... Not sure the kids are going to like it..... :)

How is the PB going to give you that look of the rock being submerged in the pool without a shelf in the pool beam? I would consider this to be a huge part of the overall look of the grotto. I am not sure if you can have one cut in at this point but in my humble opinion without submerged rocks, it will just look like a after thought and you plopped the entire structure on to a pool deck.

Do you have any pics of the 6" green pipe being installed that they are pumping out of?
Does that go all the way down to bottom of the lowest broken stone elevation?
What type of access will you have to that pipe to monitor the water level around the pool?
 

MUPPPP

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That will be really cool... Not sure the kids are going to like it..... :)

How is the PB going to give you that look of the rock being submerged in the pool without a shelf in the pool beam? I would consider this to be a huge part of the overall look of the grotto. I am not sure if you can have one cut in at this point but in my humble opinion without submerged rocks, it will just look like a after thought and you plopped the entire structure on to a pool deck.

Do you have any pics of the 6" green pipe being installed that they are pumping out of?
Does that go all the way down to bottom of the lowest broken stone elevation?
What type of access will you have to that pipe to monitor the water level around the pool?
RicoRock has their own coping that will be under the rock waterfall structure that I really hope gives the appearance you are referring to. That is one thing I stressed to the PB is that I don't want it to look like it is a huge rock structure just stuck onto a pool.

Here is a photo of a RicoRock waterfall with their coping:




I don't think I have a photo of the green pipe being installed, but I am 100% certain that they dug a well point a few feet lower than the lowest level of the pool. I saw them do it. So that pipe extends about 2 feet below the lowest point of the pool. I think there is going to be some sort of permanent pump put in that kicks on when it needs to? I need to get clarification on this. Any suggestions on how to best achieve this? I want low maintenance, so I am not dragging pumps and monitoring water levels.
 

Rich D

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Ah okay... Looks like they replaced the tile as well with Rico Rock.

The one thing I wish I had installed in my grotto is a small hose with a spray nozzle inside the grotto, hooked up to the pool pump. This would allow to spray down the inside of the grotto anytime you happen to be in there and knock down the little spiders and other critters that happened to get in there as well as coating the walls with chlorinated pool water which will help keep the green goblin away...
 

MUPPPP

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Good idea with the hose. I will see if something like this is still possible.

The coping hangs down and thus replaces the tile at this location. He actually started it today:9F40E7A8-9EA9-4007-A728-23B21EDD0DDE.jpeg
 

Rich D

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Looks like your pool builder is doing a high quality job so I would imagine he has a good plan for the pump. The one thing I would insist on if it were me would be to have some type of decorative or hidden cover that would allow access to that 6-inch pipe. being able to easily access and monitor the level of the water outside the pool is a huge benefit.

I do not think I would be trying to pump water two feet below the pool. Groundwater is a funny thing. two feet below the pool you could be pumping 24/7 365 days. At 6 inches below the pool the pump may never come on.
 

MUPPPP

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Got our coping and tile done, RicoRock waterfall structure coming along, and more retaining walls are being built. It's progressing slowly but surely. Note that the waterfall structure rocks come in that color and it will be stained/painted on site to match that coping.

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MUPPPP

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They have several premade waterfall kits. But no kit that does waterfall plus slide. So I found an expert recommended by RicoRock, Roger Brocker with Rocky Top Formations from near St. Louis, MO, to do a custom project by modifying RicoRock's premade kits. Roger travels all over the Midwest, and south as far as Texas, and all the way to the east coast to do such projects. Roger is doing an awesome job.
 
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Rich D

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It's looking great.... Are you putting in any sockets in the deck for basket ball and volleyball? It will be a big milestone when the kids can sink it from the falls to the end of that massive pool.... Here is the hoop we installed. I put socket there (which is also the one of the vollyball sockets) to keep it out of the way and still be able to use it and I put a socket at the end of the pool for the full court games and waterfall shots. IMG_20180825_181248-3024x2268.jpg
 

MUPPPP

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This is a great idea. There's really no downside, in my opinion. My wife doesn't like the idea but it's a lot simpler to put in upfront id imagine. Are you able to recommend a specific product (goal and socket)? We would want one that would be easy to remove when desired.
 
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Rich D

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This is a great idea. There's really no downside, in my opinion.
Well, the is always a downside isn't there... I guess it all depends on "IF" you are definitely going to put up a hoop of some type. In my opinion this would the best way to go. If you look at the temporary movable type they are just too bulky and inconvenient. If you think you will just install these sockets later, then after you get that expensive beautiful patio in, I do not think you or the wife will want to dig it up to install them so it will most likely not happen.

So, the down side. When the hoop is not in you need a cover to put over the socket to hide and protect it. I always imagined getting some nice high quality stainless steel covers when I was in the planning stages. I could not find any anywhere. I was then going have them custom made because the ones that come with the hoop are just white pvc which stick out like a sore thumb. My final answer was to just paint the pvc ones the color of the deck. They do need a little touch up paint every season. That looked perfect in my opinion. If you look close you can see I have 3 in the deck. If your pavers have a rough finish they might not set as flat as mine do. Your patio installer will also need the correct size diamond core bit to drill the exact hole size. My installer did not have this and I did end up with one where the cover does not fully hide the cuts.

The next issue is these sockets are really meant to be in a poured patio. The only ones available are 4" tall. Which would be plenty strong if encased in concrete. So to get them into a paver patio you need to get creative because your standard paver is 2" so that would leave only 2" engagement in the concrete . The PB wanted to do 3" engagement in a 8" sanu tube then cut the pavers to 1" thick where they went over the concrete. Probably not a bad idea but we do get significant frost here so I was worried bout the pavers moving differently then the sanu tube and cracking. So I came up with my own solution and epoxied the socket into a 3" Dia piece of galvanized steel heavy duty electric conduit and put that in a 8" sanu tube. It was a bit of work but we'll worth it in my opinion.

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MUPPPP

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Thanks a bunch for the info on the basketball goal anchor, Rich D. The PB was for some reason going to charge an obscene amount to have it done so we're going to hold off for now.

We're getting close to plaster, probably late next week! PB took us by some pools they have done in the area to make sure we liked our plaster choice, and we have decided to change our PebbleSheen from Blue Surf to Ocean Blue. We though the Blue Surf may look a little fake up against the waterfall/waterslide structure.

Thanks to user LeighHop for this pic of their Ocean Blue PebbleSheen! Helps reassure us of our choice:

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