2018: Fiberglass install uxbridge ointario

[uxbridgechris]

I was wondering what was happening Maybe the rain will help melt everything??? Nope..........with your luck it will just freeze more

Well, they are calling for freezing rain so I am not sure. lol

Traditional pool opening day in my area is may 24th so we still have time.

 

[uxbridgechris]

So, many of you will brow beat me for this next decision but that's life.

I am not doing the coped concrete edge. The pool is very small and having that couple inch overhang around the perimeter will make it look even smaller. There are other reasons like the likelyhood of concrete cracking in my climate and making it's way all the way down the front of the coping. yuck. Finally, this aluminum Vastec fiberglass pool coping allows for up to 1" of shiming to make up for a less than perfectly level fiberglass pool. Many other reasons too like concrete finisher doesn't have to get into pool. The grey color is very close to the color of concrete I am using.

 

[kimkats]

DUDE! I LOVE it! Why would you NOT do it??? I think it looks great AND gives your that extra room in your pool! I watched a couple of videos and it looks like there is quite a bit of muscle needed to do it but once you find THE way it looks easy to get it on!

Kim

 

[PoolguyinCT]

What are the electrical bonding provisions?

Are you going to put a slip sheet between concrete & pool top?

 

[needsajet]

That looks interesting and great to learn along with you. Glad the bonding was mentioned. Is it done with aluminum wire and then connected to copper where it can be monitored and maintained? All good and just for others following along, coping need not extend 2 inches over the pool. Around 3/8" to 1/2" is enough to redirect most of the waves into the pool, but I agree, it's surprising how much it shrinks the look of the pool. I've seen it done flush which looks nice when everything lines up, but doesn't contain the water as well.

 

[keithw]

Chris,

Needsajet has a valid point. I have your same pool and when I first installed it I had no overhang at all. If there is any wave action or people jumping into these smaller pools water pours up and over the top. If you don't do any overhang just be prepared for it.

 

[PoolguyinCT]

Overhang may also be required by your code to offer distressed bathers a “handhold.”

 

[uxbridgechris]

Overhang may also be required by your code to offer distressed bathers a “handhold.”

No. nothing like that here. I personally have never seen a residential pool with cantilevered coping here in Canada.

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Chris,

Needsajet has a valid point. I have your same pool and when I first installed it I had no overhang at all. If there is any wave action or people jumping into these smaller pools water pours up and over the top. If you don't do any overhang just be prepared for it.

Thought about that too. No perfect solution. The lack of an overhang will be good for my benches too. Will be able to sit right back.

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That looks interesting and great to learn along with you. Glad the bonding was mentioned. Is it done with aluminum wire and then connected to copper where it can be monitored and maintained? All good and just for others following along, coping need not extend 2 inches over the pool. Around 3/8" to 1/2" is enough to redirect most of the waves into the pool, but I agree, it's surprising how much it shrinks the look of the pool. I've seen it done flush which looks nice when everything lines up, but doesn't contain the water as well.

I will ask electrical inspector what he recommends. Maybe copper to the aluminum but connected via ring connector.

not using both aluminum and copper wire. Aluminum is non existant here except for service wire.

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What are the electrical bonding provisions?

Are you going to put a slip sheet between concrete & pool top?

I am not bonding. I hear shock therapy works wonders on sore muscles. lol. jk

No slip between concrete and pool. The movement will be upward if anything. "frost"

 

[uxbridgechris]

DUDE! I LOVE it! Why would you NOT do it??? I think it looks great AND gives your that extra room in your pool! I watched a couple of videos and it looks like there is quite a bit of muscle needed to do it but once you find THE way it looks easy to get it on!

Kim

It is, by no means a wet noodle but the sample in the pic was very easy for me to bend the correct radius.

 

[uxbridgechris]

I got sent home from work today due to freezing rain but by dinner time it was 10 C and i jumped on the chance to connect my hoses. 1.5” returns and 2” skimmer. Because of the cold temps at night I will wait until Saturday then pressure test them before complete backfill. BUT!! I have some lunatic OCD Chris mods I will be doing to the connections. Nothing I’ve seen online, 100% my idea and completely unconventional. Lol. I don’t want those connections to ever leak. Pics in a couple days.

 

[PoolguyinCT]

I got sent home from work today due to freezing rain but by dinner time it was 10 C and i jumped on the chance to connect my hoses. 1.5” returns and 2” skimmer. Because of the cold temps at night I will wait until Saturday then pressure test them before complete backfill. BUT!! I have some lunatic OCD Chris mods I will be doing to the connections. Nothing I’ve seen online, 100% my idea and completely unconventional. Lol. I don’t want those connections to ever leak. Pics in a couple days.

Unroll your hose before affixing it to the wall or any termination.

 

[uxbridgechris]

Unroll your hose before affixing it to the wall..

Hahaha. Be kinda hard to do otherwise, no? ;-)

I have some nice 2” straps for that too btw

 

[PoolguyinCT]

You want the hose to be able to rotate when you unroll it, when it’s pinned to the wall it puts strain on the rigid strand.

Unroll everything before you pin it.

PFL_FlexPVC_HoseFailure (PDF Download Available)

 

[kimkats]

I can't wait to hear about what you plan to do!!!!!!!!! Could be a trend setter!!

Kim

 

[uxbridgechris]

You want the hose to be able to rotate when you unroll it, when it’s pinned to the wall it puts strain on the rigid strand.

Unroll everything before you pin it.

PFL_FlexPVC_HoseFailure (PDF Download Available)

Thank you for the link.

 

[uxbridgechris]

So here are my genius ideas. lol. maybe not.

Reinforce the hose/fitting connection with fiberglass tape. (think fiberglass cast material) I thought the stuff I had was 10' long bit it was only 40". lol. oh well. wish I had more wraps.

Then spray all areas with 2 pound, 2 part, closed cell foam not for insulation value but for strength, and leak insurance. If you've ever used this stuff, You know it's near impossible to get off any surface.

 

[PoolguyinCT]

With the spray, when/if you do leak it will be a miserable job to locate & repair..

The tape is a placebo effect, a well made joint won’t an issue..

Btw— exiting the skimmer a few feet of ridged PVC is beneficial, when flex collapses- it’s generally at the skimmer area.. don’t know why, but that’s what I dig up..

I’m not a pessimist, renovation & leak detection are my specialty..

 

[PoolguyinCT]

It’s also thought , I don’t remember where proved or if proved. Cables with voltage ear pvc pull plasticizers & cause failure..

Maybe in that link?? I’ve never seen it happen on the street though..

 

[JamesW]

I think that the reason that flex collapses near the skimmer is tabs left in the skimmer basket with the pump off.

A lot of electrical conduit and wire insulation is pvc, so I don't think that pvc would be adversely affected by wires carrying voltage and current.

 

[uxbridgechris]

It’s also thought , I don’t remember where proved or if proved. Cables with voltage ear pvc pull plasticizers & cause failure..

Maybe in that link?? I’ve never seen it happen on the street though..

no idea what you are saying here. FYI, the conduit I've used is electrical conduit.

And I wont have leaks. lol. 75 tons of HPB as backfill and base. There wont be settling.