Question about this "shock" advertised for salt pools

Hi, new to salt water generating system this year , so sorry if this is a dumb question. My question is about a specific product called "Saline Refresh" by Aqua Coastal that was recommended by the pool store. Seems like it might be just another waste of money but I'm not sure. The product literature claims it will "oxidize nitrogenous waste that accumulates in swimming pool water. It should be used bi-weekly or after a heavy bather load on all saltwater pools."

But can't this be done with another method of "shocking", maybe with liquid chlorine or just increasing the chlorine production? And is it really necessary to shock a salt pool if I'm keeping the chemistry in balance, specifically keeping combined chlorine under control (zero or a very small amount).

salt pool, 9600 gallons.

Thanks for any help.

Attach pergola to patio -- worried about gas lines under patio

811 will take a full description :

'Drilling support holes for 10x12 pergola 5ft off back door' (etc).

If they deem the heater line to be privately owned, they can probably recommend a local company to hire to locate it. Its tricky because technically anything past anyones meter is customer owned, but none of the utilities want their service damaged so sometimes they mark it and sometimes they dont.
When I did it here (not Texas), the guy came out and had no idea whats the specifics were and wanted to know the general area of what was needed and then marked out everything that was in that area. I’m assuming he’d have marked absolutely everything if I hadn't been there to limit the scope for him.
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Attach pergola to patio -- worried about gas lines under patio

When the guy comes out just tell him what you’re doing and he’ll mark out the gas
811 will take a full description :

'Drilling support holes for 10x12 pergola 5ft off back door' (etc).

If they deem the heater line to be privately owned, they can probably recommend a local company to hire to locate it. Its tricky because technically anything past anyones meter is customer owned, but none of the utilities want their service damaged so sometimes they mark it and sometimes they dont.

Also, in this and many other circumstances, I consider a $20 bill at first meeting to be an 'attitude adjustment fee'. Hey man !!! I'm (insert name here) and I'm buying lunch today. *gives $20*. Anywho this is what we're doing........

Muriatic acid

PoolMath
The bottle label will tell the strength of the acid. It can vary from supplier to supplier. Your PH is fine. Anything in the 7s up to 8 or 8.2 is good if the pool likes to be there (doesn't take acid to keep it there). This won't damage the cell. Where did you hear that? Oh, probably in the manual. They also tell you to clean the cell with acid but we don't recommend that. There are other ways.

Water Level Decreased Over Winter

Happy spring! I had some rust that I painted over in the fall. Over the winter, I slowly lost about two feet of water. I took the cover off and don't see any tears or large holes. I don't open the pool for a few more weeks. Should I do anything now, or just wait until I open the fool and fill/treat it, then use a leak detection kit? Thanks!View attachment 643296
Your second picture shows rusty water leaking through the painted area. That may be where the water went.
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Muriatic acid

Hi, first time maintaining a salt pool and I've been noticing the generation process tends to push pH higher, than when I was simply adding liquid chlorine. My question involves muriatic acid, spoecifically how much to add to lower pH. The label on the jug I bought says "20 Be" and I've read that muriatic acid sold in big box stores contain somewhere around 30% hydrochloric acid. So, a litre would contain about 300 ml of hydrochloric acid. Doees anyone know of a calculator or table that tells me how much muriatic acid (with 30% hydrochloric acid) to lower the pH by 0.2 ppm - my pool is 9600 gallons, and the pH is running at around 7.8 to 8 which I know is too high and could eventually damage the salt cell. Any suggestions- thanks in advance.

SWG Install and Opening Help

So last night at 9 PM my FC was at 15.5 (I added LC at 6:30 AM to get it up to SLAM level of 16, so I only lost .5 FC throughout the whole day which was overcast and rainy) and when I checked this morning my FC was at 15 and my CC was at 0. So other than the pool being clear from my previous post, that's all I'm waiting on to finish my SLAM. I need to get my FC up at SLAM level until my pool is clear clear correct?

IC-40 Dead???

10 hours (?) @90% should make a little over 4ppm and you only made 1 FC. If you lost another 1 FC last night like you did the night before it still doesnt account for the missing 2 FC.

Maybe the cell lost one polarity and is only producing half the time it claims. But the primary cause is not CYA, so we've ruled that out. I would SLAM on a prayer that there is a light algae bloom. It'll be a quick one with clear water either way and I'd sleep better about replacing the cell afterwards if it didn't work.

Or use whatever production the cell gives you and supplement with LC daily until it dies. If i had to lug jugs, I'd rather lug half the jugs than all of them. 😁

Raised spa spillway

Would like to ask guidance on how to ensure the 1.5 inch thick granite coping stone we are using on the spillway flows OUT and not down the front of the tile on the raised Dam Wall below it. Does the profile of the cut of the stone matter? We had a capillary cut made on the stone so the water would flow outward BUT it is currently running down not outward. We have a variable speed pump that runs at 45 gallons per minute during the day and 30 gallons per minute during the evening.
How far out over the dam wall should the stone ideally extend out?
What type of profile should the edge of the granite stone be to flow outward into the pool water waterfall and not down the front of the Dam wall tile?
Thanks - we are having a new stone cut and would value your input.

Old Warrior SI or new EVO 614iQ?

Chazas,

I'm like you and like to run things until they die.. The cord being tacky, does not keep the robot from working.. I'd replace the tracks and see what happens.

That said, I had the Warrior, and the EVO is a much better robot in my mind... the cable is better, and filter basket is better, if you buy the additional extra fine basket.

Thanks,

Jim R.
Thanks. It’s not logical but the cord being so gross to handle is starting do drive me nuts.

CC - Wont go down!

Does anyone know? Are the CC’s still gassed off with the AOP system? E.G we still need to look at adequate ventilation/air exchange?
You will still need to provide adequate air exchanges. UV systems are point of contact only. When the pool is re-chlorinated and bathers re-enter, monochloramines in the pool will have time to be oxidized by the chlorine and convert to dichloramine and trichloramine….the UV system won’t ever see them. The trichloramines will offgas into the air and now you have a ventilation concern.
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Water in tube that goes down below pool?

I'm not sure there's a hard & fast rule of how high is acceptable. As a tool, it lets you know the water table is rising and could be exerting pressure to the shell (upward) from underneath. Generally, as long as the pool is 100% full it should be okay, but you might speak to your builder to see if they have a recommendation of when you should be concerned and if there is anything else you can/should do other than pump water out from below with a sump pump as PoolStored indicated.

Aquarite cell not generating

The cell tested good and the salt level is 3000, I was able to recalibrate the panel and it now reads 2700. We'll see if that holds. This morning upon startup I again had to jiggle the display in order for power to show in the panel, upon startup all lights were off but after jiggling the display power came on. I know we discussed the board maybe being bad but is it possible it is the display? Is there a way to test between the two? Thank you

Northeast pool owners - where do you buy your chemicals for best value?

Any 100% pure cyanurric acid is fine. 4lb or 5lb bags at Walmart / HD / Lowes work in a pinch but are $5/lb. The Amazon brands are about $3/ lb right now. I get Puritech for CYA or CH on Amazon for $2 /lb in Dec or Jan. (I stopped with CH but its still a good deal)

If your TA ever needs a boost and it probably won't, 13lbs of Arm and Hammer Baking soda is $10 at Bjs/Costco/Sams and is a lifetime supply.

If your PH is low, which also probably won't happen, then hit up any laundry aisle for 20 mule Borax. It's $6(?) for a 4 lb box.

Relay Electrics

If you’re feeding with a 30 amp double pole breaker you should be fine. The Intelliflo requires 12.4A max, the heater 5.5, and the SWG 1 amp or 2 (don’t recall exactly on a circupool). Total is 19.9A worst case, which puts you under the 80% continuous load threshold of 24 amps for the circuit.

You really don’t need the Intermatic timer anymore as the pump can take care of everything the timer was doing before.

The relay board instructs you to use 12 ga because the assumption is the high amp relay is feeding 16 amps, which 12 ga will handle. You’re running two appliances that both draw less than that so a lesser gauge would be acceptable. However if you’re already planning to run 12 ga that’s more than fine.

If you don’t have a double pole GFCI feeding the circuit I would encourage you to swap one in if you are comfortable doing so. They are spendy, and you need to get the correct CB for you panel, but IMO it should be done.

Opening by myself for the first time

Yep. Open the pump cover. Clean the cover, clean the mating surface on the pump. Inspect and lubricate the o-ring with silicone lube (magic lube II), if the o-ring is cracked or compromised, replace it. Also the drain plugs.

You need water in the pump first so that the shaft seal has some water to cool the mating surfaces while priming. Just run the hose for a bit to get some water in the volute. Then replace the lid.

Yes, you now have the valves "open." Let us know how it goes.
Got everything up and running at about 10 PM last night. Now just gotta get the chemistry right. Thanks for your help!

PB just turned over pool to me, what do I correct first?

Hi everyone! After a long pool build and 6 weeks of start up, our PB has finally closed out their permits and turned over maintenance to me. All readings are out of range, so what should I tackle first? Unfortunately, the salt cell isn’t working yet, so I’ll be using liquid chlorine in the meantime.

Here’s what I’m thinking based on Pool Math
1. Use Muriatic Acid to correct PH
2. Start adding liquid chlorine to maintain.
3. Add CYA

What should I do about CH and Salt? Looks like the PB went overboard with the Salt and my CH is way too high. Am I in a situation where I should replace some of the water in the pool?

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You wonder why the pool robot vacuum industry is 15 years behind the land robot vacuums. Ridiculously sad.
Many aspects of the pool industry are so. The Pentair IntelliBrite® 5G Color LED for example. It's got banks of red, blue and green LEDs inside, which means its capable of producing millions of colors. But you only get five. And with a little extra RAM, it should be capable of remembering any number of customizable light shows, but nope, you only get seven of those (predetermined, and only a couple are worth using, IMO).

But that's not the best part, and probably why you only get so few options: to access the five colors or seven "shows," you have to turn the light on and off some number of times. No kidding. on-off-on-off-on: red, on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off-on: green, on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off-on-off-on: tropical show. What?!?

Now, to be fair, the light can be controlled by one of Pentair's pool automation controllers. But if you want the tropical show, the controller has to jump through the same hoops, and you can hear it clicking its relay: on-off-on-off-on-off...

There are lots of examples of this stone-age "tech" in the industry. The big three equipment manufacturers don't push each other, and tend to stick with what works. So there's little innovation, or rather, the innovation there is is glacially slow.

I suppose the silver lining is that the equipment doesn't plague us every few days with notices, demanding that we update the various components. So there's that.

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