What new heater for me?

[ride525]

Nope.


Go to www. intellicenter2.com and use your Pentair login.

It is a much better UI for controlling and programming your IntelliCenter then the app in my opinion.

 

[ajw22]

I coud take pictures, but they would just show what I told you., ie runing at 3000 rpm, pump shows about 1470 watts in bypass mode, in heater mode 1390 watts.

I do not see your Heater circuit set to 3000 RPM.

I do have a flow meter attached to the imput to the filter, but it's hard to get really accurate readings, it's analog , not digital.

What about pictures of your flow meter?

 

[ride525]

Show me pictures of the heater bypass that was installed and the actuator positions when heating and when in bypass.

I do not see your Heater circuit set to 3000 RPM.



What about pictures of your flow meter?

My pictures seem to have a delay before the show up in Apple photos.
Spa speed was changed last night.

 

[1poolman1]

I am unfortunatlely aware of the difference. I'm had two pools in over 45 years. For the first one, I made the mistake (in my mind) of buying the VSF pump. I didn't like it as it gained speed when the filters got dirty. It's still running however, it's my son's home. When I moved seven years ago, I bought a VS pump. The pool service guy was let go (since I was now the pool guy), and the existing one speed pump, coincidently at the same time, was found taking in air, and was trash. Then, I installed a VS pump at my current home. I didn't realize that the model number made that much of a difference, when used to show the difference at VF or VS. Thanks.

You can, or at least should be able, to switch the variable-flow portion off and just use the variable-speed portion of the pump on your son's pool.

 

[ajw22]

.Spa speed was changed last night.

Spa speed is different than heater speed.

The minimum speed and flow your gas heater requires should be set for the Heater circuit.

What model/size MasterTemp heater do you have? Put that in your signature.

 

[ride525]

My pictures seem to have a delay before the show up in Apple photos.
Spa speed was changed last night.

Ok, this is a bit overwheming for me. Just a couple of days on Intellicenter. I looked at Circuits, i have Spa, Pool, and Pool Light (AUX 1) set up as functions. And AUX 2, AUX 3, AUX 4, show up as generic, maybe not doing anything. No heater circuit.

 

[ajw22]

this is a bit overwheming for me.

I am trying to take you through this step by step.

I looked at Circuits, i have Spa, Pool, and Pool Light (AUX 1) set up as functions. And AUX 2, AUX 3, AUX 4, show up as generic, maybe not doing anything. No heater circuit.

If you looked on the Circuits page Heater will not show up there since it is not a circuit you created.

I am doing this by memory since my IntelliCenter is shut for the winter.

On the Pump Speed page you should have an ADD button on the bottom to add speeds for additional circuits. Click that and then you get fields to fill in. There is a pulldown list for the Circuit you want and there should be an entry for Heater or MasterTemp depending on how your heater is setup.

 

[ride525]

I am trying to take you through this step by step.



If you looked on the Circuits page Heater will not show up there since it is not a circuit you created.

I am doing this by memory since my IntelliCenter is shut for the winter.

On the Pump Speed page you should have an ADD button on the bottom to add speeds for additional circuits. Click that and then you get fields to fill in. There is a pulldown list for the Circuit you want and there should be an entry for Heater or MasterTemp depending on how your heater is setup.

Are you speaking of the Pump Speed page on the Intellicenter itself? Or the computer app?

I do not see your Heater circuit set to 3000 RPM.



What about pictures of your flow meter?

Picture 1 is flow meter. Picture 2 is general layout. Picture 3 is bypass valve (blue handle) in bypass mode. Picture 4 is bypass valve (blue handle) in heater mode. I asked pool builder to use the kit, but he did this instead. He still has to install actuator for bypass valve and solar valve (next to house).

 

[ajw22]

Are you speaking of the Pump Speed page on the Intellicenter itself? Or the computer app?

You can find it on either. I was describing the web app.

 

[ajw22]

This looks like you do not yet have an actuator installed to control the bypass valve...

This looks like you are flowing 20 GPM...

So now slowly turn the bypass valve counter clockwise towards bypass, without your heater running, and watch your filter PSI gauge drop. Stop turning when the PSI is no longer dropping.

Then look at what your flow meter is reading.

Do that and show me pictures of where the valve is and flow meter.

 

[ride525]

I am trying to take you through this step by step.



If you looked on the Circuits page Heater will not show up there since it is not a circuit you created.

I am doing this by memory since my IntelliCenter is shut for the winter.

On the Pump Speed page you should have an ADD button on the bottom to add speeds for additional circuits. Click that and then you get fields to fill in. There is a pulldown list for the Circuit you want and there should be an entry for Heater or MasterTemp depending on how your heater is setup.

for adding circuits, I see Pool Heater, Spa Heater, and Heater.

 

[ajw22]

for adding circuits, I see Pool Heater, Spa Heater, and Heater.

Pick Heater.

 

[ride525]

This looks like you do not yet have an actuator installed to control the bypass valve...

This looks like you are flowing 20 GPM...

So now slowly turn the bypass valve counter clockwise towards bypass, without your heater running, and watch your filter PSI gauge drop. Stop turning when the PSI is no longer dropping.

Then look at what your flow meter is reading.

Do that and show me pictures of where the valve is and flow meter.

Running at 2050 now, bypass valve in heater mode.

 

[ride525]

Still running at 2050 rpm. Bypass valve to bypass mode.
Flow meter higher

 

[ajw22]

Still running at 2050 rpm. Bypass valve to bypass mode.
Flow meter higher

So now you can reduce your RPM when in bypass to lower the flow back to around 35 GPM. That gets you the lower wattage when in bypass at the same flow as needed when not in bypass.

That can all be done by your IntelliCenter when you get the actuator installed.

 

[ajw22]

I don't think you followed my instructions exactly and watched your PSI gauge as you s owly closed the valve and stopped when the PSI stopped dropping.

So now slowly turn the bypass valve counter clockwise towards bypass, without your heater running, and watch your filter PSI gauge drop. Stop turning when the PSI is no longer dropping.

You have the bypass open and the heater fully closed.

Your filter PSI should have stopped dropping before the heater was fully closed.

 

[ride525]

So now you can reduce your RPM when in bypass to lower the flow back to around 35 GPM. That gets you the lower wattage when in bypass at the same flow as needed when not in bypass.

That can all be done by your IntelliCenter when you get the actuator installed.

Thanks for your help.
Now I will have to figure out a pump speed for heating pool, and second speed for heating spa.
I think most of the time when I'm not using the heater, I will be running the pool at a low speed.

 

[ajw22]

Now I will have to figure out a pump speed for heating pool, and second speed for heating spa.

Use the same speed.

Your MasterTemp 400 needs a minimum flow of 40 GPM. It is in the manual. Anything over that makes no difference in heating.

Find the RPM that gives you around 50 - 60 GPM according to your flowvis and it should work for both POOL and SPA.

I think most of the time when I'm not using the heater, I will be running the pool at a low speed.

Yup, that is the advantage of the VS pump with the IntelliCenter.

 

[ride525]

I don't think you followed my instructions exactly and watched your PSI gauge as you s owly closed the valve and stopped when the PSI stopped dropping.


You have the bypass open and the heater fully closed.

Your filter PSI should have stopped dropping before the heater was fully closed.

That is less than fully closed. But you are right it really started max flow perhaps 15 or 20 degrees before that. I can play with is when the auto valve is installed. Good new is pump was at 2250 in heater mode, in bypass mode with valve not fully move there, I could lower the pump from 2250 to about 1650, it went from about 700 watts to about 350 watts in bypass!! WOW!!

 

[ride525]

Use the same speed.

Your MasterTemp 400 needs a minimum flow of 40 GPM. It is in the manual. Anything over that makes no difference in heating.

Find the RPM that gives you around 50 - 60 GPM according to your flowvis and it should work for both POOL and SPA.



Yup, that is the advantage of the VS pump with the IntelliCenter.

Buy don't I want to run the spa at a higher rate to have the water (and air) come in more forcefully). Some how it sucks in air, I think near the spa suction pipe. There is an open pipe nearest the Intellicenter.