SWG and Pop Ups on Same Return

[proavia]

Hmm - good question. I assumed she has a VS pump. In reviewing the pic in post #26, I stand corrected - only a single speed pump. Apparently another disservice on the part of the PB.

Hopefully @vic49 fills out her signature will all the pool equipment info.

 

[vic49]

Hmm - good question. I assumed she has a VS pump. In reviewing the pic in post #26, I stand corrected - only a single speed pump. Apparently another disservice on the part of the PB.

Hopefully @vic49 fills out her signature will all the pool equipment info.

Ok I have filled out my signature after finally figuring it out. I have the page of my pool plan and on it it says ' Jandy Dual Speed Energy Saving Pump" and 'Jandy Energy Efficient Water Pump" Unfortunately it gives no model numbers so open to interpretation somewhat.
So looking at my signature do I not have a variable speed pump as my main pump? Here are additional photos of the pump.

 

[vic49]

Ok I have filled out my signature after finally figuring it out. I have the page of my pool plan and on it it says ' Jandy Dual Speed Energy Saving Pump" and 'Jandy Energy Efficient Water Pump" Unfortunately it gives no model numbers so open to interpretation somewhat.
So looking at my signature do I not have a variable speed pump as my main pump? Here are additional photos of the pump.

If it is 2 speed, how the heck do you change speeds?

 

[JamesW]

Can you show the actual pump label?

The contract specifies a two-speed pump.

Can you change from high speed to low speed?

Your IFC needs a minimum of 20 psi, so it needs high speed.

If you can change to low speed, then you can run the IFC for an hour or two and then switch to low speed to continue to make chlorine at lower power.

https://www.1paramount.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/PV3InstallManual.pdf

 

[vic49]

Can you show the actual pump label?

The contract specifies a two-speed pump.

Can you change from high speed to low speed?

Your IFC needs a minimum of 20 psi, so it needs high speed.

If you can change to low speed, then you can run the IFC for an hour or two and then switch to low speed to continue to make chlorine at lower power.

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https://www.1paramount.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/PV3InstallManual.pdf

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I see no way to change pump speed anywhere.
Also I guess I’m going to have to address with PB why I don’t have the “water feature pump”

 

[JamesW]

You need a two speed switch.

What switch controls the pump on/off?

You need a timer that can change speeds and turn the pump on or off.

 

[vic49]

I see no way to change pump speed anywhere.
Also I guess I’m going to have to address with PB why I don’t have the “water feature pump”

 

[vic49]

Ok. Are you ready for this? In that box are two timer dials to operate the pump. The one has never been utilized because at start up we were told to just leave it on the one timer they set. I still have him on video telling me not to use the low speed because of the IFCS. He said unfortunately all the pumps come 2 speed but just leave it on the one speed because otherwise the IFCS won’t work properly.

 

[vic49]

I have not seen the install instructions for the Aquapure, but I’m guessing it may still have to be replumbed unless Jandy says it’s ok to install on same return as IFCS?

The pump doesn't need to run at a higher rpm for 12 hours a day. It only needs to run at a high enough rpm for 2-4 hours a day (or so) for the IFCS to do a good job. In addition, it needs to run fast enough to close the SWG flow switch for the needed hours that the SWG needs to produce the required chlorine. The rpm for chlorine production is usually lower than that needed for the IFCS. Any run time the pool owner wants to run outside of IFCS and SWG time can be at about 1000 rpm.

As an example... based on 12 hour run time per day
IFCS - 4 hours at 2900rpm
SWG - 8 hours per day - minimum 1400rpm - 4 hours at 2900rpm (IFCS) and 4 hours at 1400rpm
Extra time - 4 hours at 1000rpm
The above is just an example and not necessarily what the OP pool actually needs. OP will need to determine run times based on how clean they want the pool and how much chlorine needs to be produced. Lots of variables present.

I still don't see the need to downsize the impeller. If downsized impeller is used, pump will need a higher rpm for the IFCS to be effective. @JamesW - if the IFCS needs a specific pressure and/or flow rate to do its job, how does downsizing the impeller save electricity if the pump needs a higher rpm to provide the IFCS a specific presure/flow rate to clean effectively?

For my pool, 2900rpm for 4 hours per day provides adequate IFCS cleaning and 1100rpm is more than adequate for SWG production and skimming needs. I run 24/7 and cost is less than $20/month.

so now that we have determined I have a 2 speed pump that I was told not to utilize the other speed ( I still have the start up video of him telling me not to use the other speed), I plan on asking for the Aquapure SWG to be installed in the existing return line with the IFCS, is this ok? Can you guys spell out for me, how to then set those timers, so that I am running at two different speeds? one for the IFCS and one for he SWG? The PB won't do this unfortunately.
I guess I should also ask the PB why I don't have the "Energy Efficient Water Feature Pump" listed on Pool Plan and instead have a "high head" pump like @JamesW pointed out. Is there a disadvantage to the pump I have for waterfall as opposed to the one mentioned?

 

[ajw22]

So the PB sold you a 2-speed pump whose low speed cannot be used on the system he installed instead of a Variable Speed pump which would be useful to you to adjust the speed.

Your PB is a real piece of work.

 

[vic49]

So the PB sold you a 2-speed pump whose low speed cannot be used on the system he installed instead of a Variable Speed pump which would be useful to you to adjust the speed.

Your PB is a real piece of work.

So we can't utilize that lower speed? He said it wouldn't be enough to operate the IFCS. Ugh. Am I still able to put the AquaPure in the return line with the IFCS? This has really been eye opening.

 

[ajw22]

I plan on asking for the Aquapure SWG to be installed in the existing return line with the IFCS, is this ok?

Yes. OK.

Can you guys spell out for me, how to then set those timers, so that I am running at two different speeds? one for the IFCS and one for he SWG? The PB won't do this unfortunately.

Do you have ON/OFF trippers for the left hand timer?

I am concerned that they properly wired that timer.

Flip the right hand timer to OFF and then flip the let hand timer to ON and see if the pump runs at a lower speed.

We don't know if they wired it so the right hand timer needs to be on and then the left hand timer flips the speed between high and low.

Or if the right hand timer need to be off when the left hand timer is on for LOW speed.

 

[ajw22]

So we can't utilize that lower speed? He said it wouldn't be enough to operate the IFCS. Ugh. Am I still able to put the AquaPure in the return line with the IFCS? This has really been eye opening.

I posted that before I saw your post about discovering the two timers. So maybe you can use the LOW speed.

 

[1poolman1]

Ok. Are you ready for this? In that box are two timer dials to operate the pump. The one has never been utilized because at start up we were told to just leave it on the one timer they set. I still have him on video telling me not to use the low speed because of the IFCS. He said unfortunately all the pumps come 2 speed but just leave it on the one speed because otherwise the IFCS won’t work properly.

The timer on the left may be an Intermatic T106, a 2-speed timer that doesn't have trippers at present. It works in conjunction with a T104.
With the pump running, switch it to "off" and see if the pump changes speeds. If so, get a set of trippers (also called dogs) and set your run times to clean for a couple of hours and then switch to low for a long filter cycle.
It may not be the pressure that is causing the leak at the SWG, but the constant change of pressure that happens with an IFC.

 

[vic49]

Yes. OK.



Do you have ON/OFF trippers for the left hand timer?

I am concerned that they properly wired that timer.

Flip the right hand timer to OFF and then flip the let hand timer to ON and see if the pump runs at a lower speed.

We don't know if they wired it so the right hand timer needs to be on and then the left hand timer flips the speed between high and low.

Or if the right hand timer need to be off when the left hand timer is on for LOW speed.

Right hand timer needs to be off and then the left hand timer kicks in. The pump did change speeds when I did that manually.

 

[vic49]

The timer on the left may be an Intermatic T106, a 2-speed timer that doesn't have trippers at present. It works in conjunction with a T104.
With the pump running, switch it to "off" and see if the pump changes speeds. If so, get a set of trippers (also called dogs) and set your run times to clean for a couple of hours and then switch to low for a long filter cycle.
It may not be the pressure that is causing the leak at the SWG, but the constant change of pressure that happens with an IDC.

The pump does not do anything if I turn it off. However when I turn the left hand timer on, with the right hand timer off (I'm doing all this manually) the pump does go to a low speed. So the left timer operates the lower speed. All that said I have to try and get my head around what you're saying is required.

 

[ajw22]

Right hand timer needs to be off and then the left hand timer kicks in. The pump did change speeds when i did that.

Sounds like you have two T104 timers and not a T106 and T104 like was described above.

I think with your setup you have to be careful not to have both timers on at the same time or you can fry your pump. I am not sure since we cannot see how they are wired.

 

[ajw22]

You need to get these trippers....

Intermatic T100 Series Replacement Trippers for Timers 156T1978A - The Home Depot

Add extra set points to your mechanical time switch with this Intermatic T100 Series Replacement Trippers for Timers. Comes with a sturdy metal construction.

www.homedepot.com

Set the right hand side for the 3 hours you want your IFCS cleaner to run with the pump in high speed.

Put the new trippers on the times you want the pump to run in low to chlorinate your pool.

 

[vic49]

Sounds like you have two T104 timers and not a T106 and T104 like was described above.

I think with your setup you have to be careful not to have both timers on at the same time or you can fry your pump. I am not sure since we cannot see how they are wired.

The left hand timer is off and has always been off, because they said to just leave it but I would like to start utilizing the 2 speeds at some point when this SWG gets replaced. Im just not clear on what I need to do to make that happen.

 

[ajw22]

. Im just not clear on what I need to do to make that happen.

See post #98 above.

You can begin using the low speed as soon as you get the trippers.