SWG and Pop Ups on Same Return

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vic49 said:
I’ll go out tomorrow and check these things you asked about. It’s dark out here now. ☹️
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1. Pump is not quite as loud as the main pump, but close.
2. Sheer works nicely with return open.
3. Sheer works with return closed also but much more loudly.
 
It would have been nice if both pumps were variable speed so that you could adjust the flow to exactly what you wanted.

I would run the main pump on high long enough to keep the pool clean (Try 30 minutes per day and adjust as needed) and on low the remaining time to produce the required amount of chlorine.

If Fluidra says that the cell can't be used with in-floor, then it should be changed.

If they say it's ok, then it can be left in place, but I would want at least a 3 year warranty against cell failure.
 
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James I can’t thank you enough for hanging in there with me. I’ll let you know how it turns out. I’ll have to get the SWG wired (into timer clock?) so that it works on low speed as well as high. I suggested in an email to PB that they check with Fluidra on the Aquapure 1400 SWG as opposed to replumbing since the TruCell was installed against manufacturer recommendation. I emailed Fluidra as well just so I can get in writing as you suggested, what they recommend as far as the TruCell SWG being in the sane return as the IFCS.
Meanwhile we are limping along with it slowly leaking from the lid until this is rectified so watching the water level in the pool. I’ll let you know here in the thread how it all turns out and thanks again.
 
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vic49 said:
I’ll have to get the SWG wired (into timer clock?) so that it works on low speed as well as high.
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If the SWG is connected to terminals 2 and 4 on the T104 timer (red dots), that should give power to the SWG any time the pump is on regardless of if the pump is on high or low.

The builder should know how to do this.



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JamesW said:
If the SWG is connected to terminals 2 and 4 on the T104 timer (red dots), that should give power to the SWG any time the pump is on regardless of if the pump is on high or low.

The builder should know how to do this.



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I would hope the PB would know this lol. Should have been done in the first place.
 
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James I can’t thank you enough for hanging in there with me. I’ll let you know how it turns out. I’ll have to get the SWG wired (into timer clock?) so that it works on low speed as well as high. I suggested in an email to PB that they check with Fluidra on the Aquapure 1400 SWG as opposed to replumbing since the TruCell was installed against manufacturer recommendation. I emailed Fluidra as well just so I can get in writing as you suggested, what they recommend as far as the TruCell SWG being in the sane return as the IFCS.
Meanwhile we are limping along with it slowly leaking from the lid until this is rectified so watching the water level in the pool. I’ll let you know here in the thread how it all turns out and thanks again.
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Actually there were a few on here that truly helped so thank you all.
 
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JamesW said:
They can change the wiring to make the SWG work any time the pump is on in high or low speed.


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The FHPM .75 runs at 3,450 rpm and it works best at about 30 to 45 feet of head loss or about 10 psi to about 15 psi and flow rates between 30 and 65 GPM. It uses about 1,000 to about 1,200 watts.


The waterfall pump runs at 1,750 RPM and gives better performance at low pressure high flow applications and it should be a lot quieter because it runs at half speed.

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What are the details of the waterfall?

A waterfall pump is made specifically for waterfalls.
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the PB is going to fix the wiring so that the SWG works on both High and Low speed. I have learned from this thread that I can and should be running the IFCS and the SWG utilizing the dual speed pump we have in place. We determined in this thread that the SWG was not running when the pump was in low speed. My question is this: We determined here that the IFCS comes on at both high and low speed. High speed is optimal for cleaning the pool, so do we also need to have the PB change something in the clock wiring so that the IFCS is not coming on during low speed?
 
So here is where the chips are falling. The PB is going to fix the clock issue regarding the SWG not working when pump is on low speed. Their warranty people are replacing the SWG on the 21st with the exact same unit, a TruClear. The local Jandy rep weighed in and here is what was said in his email. (I am deleting names)

"Hi PB *****,
"You are correct, Jandy will honor the warranty. PB**** Pools and Jandy have been working together a long time.
I am sorry for the failure.
Please let me know if you have any questions!"



And the email directly to me regarding warranty question I had, because I am trying to get another full 3 years.
Good morning,
We always register the original unit and the “3 years” starts when the pool is fired up.
If you haven’t registered anything yet, it’s okay. When **** warranty division for PB, files a claim, we will know internally at Jandy all you information.
Warranty start date…etc"
Thanks,
******Jandy
Territory Sales Manager
 
I suppose that you can allow them to replace the cell with a new one and hope for the best or push for a replacement of the system with an AquaPure based on the fact that the TrueClear is not compatible (per the manual) with the current IFC as plumbed.

If the cell cracks again in the 3 year period from installation (18 months left), will they still cover it under warranty or will they not based on the fact that they are replacing the cell now and you only get one replacement?

They can replumb the cell to go to the wall return, but that will reduce the performance of the in-floor.

You can downsize the impeller to reduce the pressure on the cell, but that will reduce the performance of the in-floor system.
 
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I suppose that you can allow them to replace the cell with a new one and hope for the best or push for a replacement of the system with an AquaPure based on the fact that the TrueClear is not compatible (per the manual) with the current IFC as plumbed.

If the cell cracks again in the 3 year period from installation (18 months left), will they still cover it under warranty or will they not based on the fact that they are replacing the cell now and you only get one replacement?

They can replumb the cell to go to the wall return, but that will reduce the performance of the in-floor.

You can downsize the impeller to reduce the pressure on the cell, but that will reduce the performance of the in-floor system.
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This was my reply to the rep:
Thanks *** Jandy Rep for your reply. My feelings on the matter are this:
The SWG failed in 15 months. It is installed on the same line as the in floor cleaning system which Jandy clearly states not to do in the installation instructions. I am not faulting anyone here, just making that observation.

If the same unit goes back in the same location, we can probably assume this will happen again. Two people in my community who have the same SWG model on newly built pools have also had this model fail.

I suggested to ****PB that maybe the AquaPure would be a better option as replacement since it does not have the installation constraint that the TruClear does regarding the IFCS on the same return. I assume it is not affected by fluctuation pressure from the IFCS like the TruClear is.
If we are going to have to accept the TruClear as a replacement even with the IFCS in the same return, then the very least Fluidra could do is start the clock again on the replacement.

Sincerely
Carol
 
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PB sent someone to hook up the SWG to the low speed timer this morning. I set the low speed clock to run the SWG for 10:00 am-6:00pm.
I set the high speed clock to run the IFCS 6:30-9:30 am for now.

Here is what I now observe: the IFCS runs on both High and Low which you guys have said is no problem.

However the SWG seems to also be running on both the low and high speed timers because I see a readout on the SWG wall box on both settings.

Doesn’t that mean I am now chlorinating for the duration of both of those time periods? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of asking it to be hooked up to the low speed timer?
 
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PB sent someone to hook up the SWG to the low speed timer this morning. I set the low speed clock to run the SWG for 10:00 am-6:00pm.
I set the high speed clock to run the IFCS 6:30-9:30 am for now.

Here is what I now observe: the IFCS runs on both High and Low which you guys have said is no problem.

However the SWG seems to also be running on both the low and high speed timers because I see a readout on the SWG wall box on both settings.

Doesn’t that mean I am now chlorinating for the duration of both of those time periods? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of asking it to be hooked up to the low speed timer?
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Reading back through here, I see @JamesW said it’s ok to run SWG on both High and Low.
The PB answered below and this is the head guy at PB, so I’m inclined to trust him. Will you guys just confirm for me this sounds good?

“Good morning.
If it is working at either speed then it is correct.
I would set the low speed from 7:00am to 7:00pm and the high speed from 1:00 pm to 4:00pm, the hottest time of the day.”
 
It is best to run your SWG whenever your pump is running - high or low speed.

Adjust the SWG % for the total amount of pump runtime you have.
 
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