Hi
Were about to get our first pool now our kids are confident in the water.
Weve seen a 6m x 4m below ground pool at a local supplier with an aboveground spa which spills over into the pool. Ive been reading up from this website, Dryden Aqua, and a few other sites to produce a scope of what I think we want and which I can provide to a few of the pool suppliers for a quote. By doing it this way Ill understand the system and the functionality.
Id be really interested in any feedback on equipment setups, piping, setouts, lessons learnt etc which others have done and are happy to share. PS were in Perth Australia.
-Were currently not planning on having a separate gas heater for spa, but then it eliminates spa use during winter so rethinking the idea.
-If we go fibreglass pool, pool suppliers here typically only use surface skimmers and not floor main drains due to access incase of leaks. I guess a main drain could be added in the lower side section of the pool wall or isnt this an issue?
-Are we best going a pump for the pool and laminars and another for the spa? If we end up having a swimjet that on its own system anyway.
-Does the spa require a skimmer given its spillover type?
Proposed Specification
Proposed Equipment
Flowrates of proposed modes
Pipe Flow Rate Limits
Thanks
Were about to get our first pool now our kids are confident in the water.
Weve seen a 6m x 4m below ground pool at a local supplier with an aboveground spa which spills over into the pool. Ive been reading up from this website, Dryden Aqua, and a few other sites to produce a scope of what I think we want and which I can provide to a few of the pool suppliers for a quote. By doing it this way Ill understand the system and the functionality.
Id be really interested in any feedback on equipment setups, piping, setouts, lessons learnt etc which others have done and are happy to share. PS were in Perth Australia.
-Were currently not planning on having a separate gas heater for spa, but then it eliminates spa use during winter so rethinking the idea.
-If we go fibreglass pool, pool suppliers here typically only use surface skimmers and not floor main drains due to access incase of leaks. I guess a main drain could be added in the lower side section of the pool wall or isnt this an issue?
-Are we best going a pump for the pool and laminars and another for the spa? If we end up having a swimjet that on its own system anyway.
-Does the spa require a skimmer given its spillover type?
Proposed Specification
| Pool Details | Spa Details |
| 6m x 4m below ground Pool | 2.2m x 1.8m spillway spa. |
| 1.3m to 1.8m deep | 1m deep. |
| Approximate 37,500 ,litre volume | Continuous bench seating for up to 6 people. |
| Bench seat along one 6m side | Approximate 2.350 litre volume. |
| 6no. 9mm return eyeball nozzles connected to pump return manifold | 8no. spa Jet nozzles with air connection connected to pump return manifold with efficient 36m3/hr flowrate. |
| -4no. return nozzles positioned along 6m length, 1/3 from bottom | 1no. 9mm return eyeball nozzles connected to pump return manifold with efficient 3m3/hr flowrate. |
| -2no. return nozzles positioned along 4m length, 1/3 from water line | 4no. 4” spa drains with balance pipe connected to pump suction manifold with efficient 36m3/hr flowrate. |
| 1no. skimmer box with float valve connected to pump suction manifold manifold with efficient 18m3/hr combined flowrate. | 2no. 4” spa drains with balance pipe connected to pump suction manifold with efficient 3m3/hr flowrate. |
| 2no. 8” main drain with balance pipe connected to skimmer box | |
| 2no. 8” main drain with balance pipe connected to pump suction manifold with efficient 18m3/hr combined flowrate. | |
| Class 12 Piping (PN12) – Return Main DN50 (mhead losses) Return secondary DN50 Suction Main DN80 Suction Minor DN40 | Class 12 Piping (PN12) – Return Main DN80/DN65/DN50/8nozzles (~4mhead losses) Return secondary DN50 Suction Main DN80 Suction Minor DN40 |
| Water Feature Details | |
| 4no. Laminars into pool. Max total flowrate 9m3/hr, | DN32 supply pipe each |
| 2no. spa spillways into pool. Total flowrate 11m3/hr. | |
| Swimjet System | DN125 main pipe/DN100 at manifolds |
Proposed Equipment
| Item | Description | Pt/n | Size | |
| 1 | Pump Pentair Intelliflo XF Variable Flow | 022005 | 3.2Kw | 0-52m3/hr @5-29mhead. DN80 connections |
| 2 | Sand Filter Triton LR100 | 140210V | 762mm filter diameter/0.456m2 | Max Flowrate 22m3/hr (48mh) 2” Unions |
| 3 | Glass Filter Media - Dryden AFM ng (25/25/50) | AFM Bulk density 1250kg/m3 | ~250kg | |
| 4 | Pentair Smart UV | E80S | 80W | Recommended flowrate 10.2m3/hr Max flowrate 20.5m3/hr 2” Unions |
| 5 | UltraTemp VX Heat Pump Top Fan | UTHP-17-VX | 17kW | Recommended flowrate 7.3m3/hr 1.5”unions |
| 6 | Intellichlor IC30 | 520555 | 30g/hr | Max recommended 18m3/hr |
| 7 | Spa Blower NO Air Switch | 1044100 | 1.2kW | |
| 8 | Intellicentre i10PS | |||
| 9 | Screenlogic2 for iPhone, iPad, Android, PC, MAC | 520500-AU | ||
| 10 | Temperature and air sensors | 520272 | ||
| 11 | Intellibrite Multi Plus LED Light + F/Glass Niche + 20m Cable + LV50 Transformer (2 Pack) | 805005 | 9W Each | |
| 12 | Laminars | 580001G | 1.5m3/hr @ 2mhead (1.65m height) | |
| 13 | Intellivalve actuator | 521485 | Operates up to DN80 valves | |
| 14 | Intellilevel – Auto level | 532265-AU | ||
| 15 | High performance pool blanket and below ground pool blanket box, Manual operation | |||
| 16 | Badu Swimjet System – Not 100% sold on the swimjet system | Stream Pack Remote | 2x Speck 21/80-32SG, Single Phase 4.0 HP 1100 LPM pump | Max. 132m3/hr/0.7mhead loss |
Flowrates of proposed modes
| Flowrates | Pool | Spa | Total | |||
| Suction | Return | Suction | Return | Suction | Return | |
| Pool mode – Day (07.00-19.00) - 4-hour turnover - Maintain 28degC water temp. | 9m3/r | 9m/hr | 1m3/hr | 1m3/hr | 10m3/hr | 10m3/hr (22mh through filter) |
| Pool mode – Night (19.00-07.00) – 9-hour turnover - No heating. Pool blanket installed. | 3.5m3/hr | 3.5m3/hr | 1m3/hr | 1m3/hr | 4.5m3/hr | 4.5m3/hr (10mh through filter) |
| Spa mode - Increase water temp to 38deg C spa only with selected. Is a Timer function need i.e. 10mins? | 3.5m3/hr | 3.5m3/hr | 36m3/hr | 36m3/hr | 39.5m3/hr | 39.5m3/hr |
| Spillway mode - Maintain 28degC water temp | 20m3/r | 9m/hr | 0m3/hr | 11m3/hr | 20m3/hr | 20m3/hr |
| Spa & Spilway mode - Increase water temp to 38deg C spa only. | 14.5m3/hr | 3.5m3/hr | 36m3/hr | 47m3/hr | 50.5m3/hr | 50.5m3/hr |
| Laminers (4off) mode | 6m3/hr | 6m3/hr | 6m3/hr | 6m3/hr | ||
| Swimjet mode | 132m3/hr | 132m3/hr | 132m3/hr | 132m3/hr | ||
| Backwash (3min period) mode | 22m3/hr | 22m3/hr - 1,100L (48mh through filter) |
Pipe Flow Rate Limits
| Pipe Diameter u-PVC Class12 | ID | Minimum flowrate (m3/hr) at 0.9m/s | Maximum flowrate (m3/hr) at 2.1m/s |
| DN25 | 29.8 | 2.26 | 5.27 |
| DN32 | 37.5 | 3.58 | 8.35 |
| DN40 | 42.8 | 4.66 | 10.88 |
| DN50 | 53.7 | 7.34 | 17.22 |
| DN65 | 67.0 | 11.42 | 26.65 |
| DN80 | 79.0 | 15.88 | 37.06 |
| DN100 | 101.7 | 26.27 | 61.29 |
| DN125 | 128.4 | 41.95 | 97.89 |
Thanks
