New build

Ellen M

Bronze Supporter
Oct 25, 2020
10
San Diego
Hi. Thank you to all the creators and members of TFP. We have been getting quite the education! Below is a comprehensive summary of our new build. Please feel free to review and share your critique, feedback, questions, or comments.

Project Dimensions: ≈16k gallons, 440 sq ft, 124’ perimeter, IG, shotcrete, salt water
  • Lap Pool– 8’ x 48.3’ 4 entry stairs and 1 rear exit 2 person seat/stair
  • Spa – 6’ x 8’ – spa is level with the pool with all 1’ porcelain travertine tile spa wall (spill way)
  • Pool Depths – 3’9” until past exercise rail then 4’0” (total shallow end about 24’) to 6’0” depth
  • Spa Depth – 3’9”
  • Auto cover by Cover Pool T4 System with vanishing lid (track under the coping, travertine cover box housing), quad fabric forest green, steel grade & stainless steel ropes, CoverLink keypad touch pad, maybe with wi-fi
  • BADU Swim Jet system (see below) ( Badu®Stream II – SwimJet System | SPECK Pumps )
  • Upgraded heaters – see equipment section
  • Latticrete Hydroban waterproofing at the waterline and spa wall spillway areas prior to tile install
Permits and Engineering:
  • Includes standard structural pool engineering
  • Includes upslope with retaining wall surcharge engineering detail
  • Includes auto cover vault engineering detail
  • Includes City of San Diego combination building permit
Excavation:
  • Includes setting elevations, layout and forming
  • Includes guaranteed excavation with the exception of rock or hard ground conditions
  • Hard ground conditions are any ground that requires the use of a breaker or ripper
  • Includes removing all pool dirt & sod from site – including trucking and dump fees
  • Removal of travertine sidewalk and patio to allow for gas lines
Steel Reinforcement:
  • Steel reinforcement to meet or exceed local building codes
  • Includes Five (5) #4 bars in the bond beam
  • All steel surcharge to be #4 bar where required
  • All steel to be properly blocked up and spaced to allow proper shotcrete coverage
  • Includes double curtain spa wall rebar
Plumbing:
  • All plumbing to meet building and health department standards
  • Pool plumbing to be hydraulically balanced with water velocities of less than 7’ per second
  • All plumbing lines to be PVC schedule 40 pipe
  • Includes variable speed pool filtration pump for energy efficiency
  • Includes dedicated main drain
  • Includes dedicated cleaner line with valve
  • Includes 2 Waterway commercial grade skimmers with dedicated suction line w/ 2.5" Pipe (each separately plumbed to the pad). Skimmers to be placed 15' from each end of pool.
  • Includes dedicated 2HP spa jet booster pump with 3” suction
  • All plumbing to be pressure tested throughout construction
  • Includes equipotential deck bonding per building code.
  • Includes auto fill with overflow to be connected to yard drainage by drainage contractor
  • Plumbing hook up for thermal solar panels. Add 2 solar stub, 2” lines to house & 1/2” conduit
  • Returns: The pool has 3 full size 1.5 inch return lines with waterway flush mount adjustable eyeball fittings. Return locations to be determined. Will be installed to push water towards the skimmer for better skimming action. A dedicated deep heat return at the deep end for better mixing when the heater is on is included.
  • Heater-PB sets up a spa spillway mode that automatically turns the valve and send 100% of the water back to the spa and spa spills over into the pool. This is usually set up for a couple of hours every day to keeps the pool one body of water.
  • TFP comment re bypass on heater- PB says: Since we have a chemical controller, PB will need to check with Pentair on what they recommend for spa filtration. A hard plumbed spa bypass is the older way of doing it, but it might be the better way for a chemical controller. PB will get some feedback from the Pentair rep on this issue. PB also install a check valve right after the heater.
  • Work with thermal Solar professionals as needed in process of pool builiding
Gas Line:
  • Includes gas line from meter to pool equipment location
  • Includes gas hook up at pool heaters and house with shut off valves
  • Includes upsized 2” gas line for long gas run
Shotcrete:
  • Includes shotcrete pool structure per engineered plans and specifications with continuous bond beam around skimmer(s)
  • Buyer agrees to water shotcrete structure twice a day for five days after placement.
  • Includes 3500-PSI Shotcrete
  • PB places heavy emphasis structural strength. This means heavy steel schedules spaced properly and heavy PSI on our shotcrete placement.
Clean Up and Backfill
  • Includes thorough cleanup of all pool construction debris
  • Includes backfill and compaction of all plumbing, gas, and electrical ditches
Equipment:
  • Filtration Pump – Pentair IntelliFlo variable speed pump
  • Jet Pump - Pentair 2HP Whisperflo pump
  • Filter – Pentair Clean and Clear 420 s.f. cartridge filter
  • Heater – Pentair ETI 400,000 BTU high efficiency heater (natural gas)
  • Heat Pump – AquaCal Heatwave SuperQuiet SQ 225
  • Pool Lights – Five Pentair Microbrite LED color lights (facing away from house)
  • Spa Light – Pentair Microbrite LED color light
  • Controller – Pentair Intellicenter pool control system with mobile device interface
  • Salt System – Pentair Intellichlor IC40 SWG>upgrade IC60 if desired
  • Chem Controller – Pentair Intellichem water chemistry controller
  • UV system – Pentair Bioshield UV disinfection sanitizer
  • Spa Jets – 6 hydrotherapy jets (variable speed pump)
  • Spa Jets – 8 hydrotherapy jets (booster pump)
  • Spa Jets --Standard shotcrete venturi tee type jets. PB also installs the waterway flush mount adjustable eyeball fittings on each jet, like the returns in the pool.
  • Auto Fill – Pentair Intellilevel auto fill
  • Pool Sweep – Hayward Sweep line placed in the middle of house side of the pool ( The PoolCleaner 4 Wheel Suction Cleaner, White | Hayward Residential and Commercial Pool Products )
Equipment Pad area:
  • Equipment pad footprint is ≈ 4’x14’. Includes a two pump system with filter, heater, heat pump, and chemical controller. PB will include space in front of the equipment for somebody to be able to stand there and service the equipment.
  • Considering a 4’x4’ shower area and ground drain area to rinse off before/after swimming. Not done by PB
  • Will install light in this area as suggested on TFP
Electrical:
  • Includes complete electrical hook up of all equipment and lights
  • Includes set up and programming of Intellicenter and mobile device set up
  • Includes a dedicated 50 amp circuit for the AquaCal Heatwave SuperQuiet SQ 225 heat pump
  • GFCI protected outlet at the pool equipment area
  • Includes a switched circuit to use the pool controller to turn on and off the lights
  • Includes pool control panel which is a sub-panel with breakers
Coping:
  • Includes Travertine pool and spa coping
  • Includes bullnose edge – travertine should be minimum 2” thick for auto cover track attachment
Tile:
  • Includes Laticrete Hydro Ban water proofing system
  • Includes NPT VeraCruz sand/cream (tbd) color 12”x24” ceramic porcelain water line tile. Installer to cut 6”x24”
  • Includes Lightstreams Shell Beach Decorative Glass Tile Strands step trim for all steps & benches
  • Includes 5 lane markers diagonally placed 10’ apart at 3’, 13.5’, 24’, 34.5’, 45’ (NPT Art Deco Rainbow glass 4”x4” 2 dolphins, 2 starfish & 1 nautilus)
Plaster:
  • Includes NPT Stonescape Micro Pebble (color Moraine) pool and spa finish
  • Includes matching flush mount return fittings
  • Includes matching VGB compliant drain covers
Automatic Pool Cover:
  • Pool cover by Cover Pools
  • Includes 440 square foot automatic pool cover
  • Includes automatic cover–buyers’ choice of standard quad colors (likely forest green)
  • Includes monolithic cover vault with steel and shotcrete construction
  • Includes drain outlet for vault – hardscape contractor to connect drain
  • Includes stainless steel brackets for hidden lid system
  • Includes matching coping lid pieces.
  • Stainless steel ropes
  • Includes hard wired remote CoverLink keypad touch pad maybe with wi-fi
Swim Jet:
  • Includes Badu Jet Stream 2 swim system
  • Includes Two BaduStream II Jets combined with one 4HP Speck pump
  • Includes hard wired pool side controller
  • Note: BADU pump to be located no further than 30’ from swim jets
  • Includes 4’ inch plumbing
Start Up:
  • Includes all start up equipment including: brush, net, pole, thermometer, test kit (of our choosing)
  • Includes all programming
  • Includes all initial pool chemicals
  • includes client walk through and orientation
  • Includes 30 days pool service
Additional Specifications:
  • Includes all spa benches and ledges per plan.
  • Includes one exit seat/step at back of pool. Bench will seat 2 adults. Depth TBD (considering 18” of water depth). PB offers to add a top step at the end of the bench if choose.
  • Includes SR Smith 2’ exercise hand rail at shallow end post entry stairs on house side of pool
  • Includes SR Smith deck mounted entry step hand rail
  • Additional handrail if 1 handrail does not work for entry to spa step and pool steps
  • SR Smith deck mounted back step hand rail
Solar
  • Thermal Panels- Swim Jet brand 400 sq ft.
  • Solar PV 10 new SunPower 415 watts panels & 21 Sun World 260 watts, older yet useable panels
Decking Specifications (Left front, left side and back of house)
  • 2883 sq ft Travertine pavers high grade honed and filled in creams shades with variations (French pattern layout, dry mound
  • All Travertine sealed for color and protection. Non slip
For those of you who like pictures, we included a few of the renderings.
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mknauss

Mod Squad
TFP Expert
Bronze Supporter
May 3, 2014
37,018
Laughlin, NV
Pool Size
6000
Surface
Fiberglass
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
  • Chem Controller – Pentair Intellichem water chemistry controller
  • UV system – Pentair Bioshield UV disinfection sanitizer
I recommend you reconsider installing those two items. UV is unnecessary in an outdoor pool. And the Intellichem uses ORP which does not work well in outdoor pools.

I do realize you will have an autocover. If you only plan to open the cover for very short periods primarily when there is no sun shining on the pool water surface, then those two items may be OK>
 

ofcounsel

Active member
Dec 30, 2020
33
Brea, CA
Pool Size
16000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
That looks like it's going to be a great lap pool! I like your choices. And your vegetation up the slope is going to look amazing against the pool in the foreground. Please post updates as you progress in the build.
 

Aerosfire

New member
Nov 6, 2020
1
Houston, TX
Have you seen any pictures or samples of the Moraine finish? I have not seen any pictures of it yet and am interested in it for my pool. Thanks!
 

Ellen M

Bronze Supporter
Oct 25, 2020
10
San Diego
Hi. Aerofire and all members. We have a small sample soaking in water. The bottom sample is the aqua blue micro, appears darker due to reflection. With the iphone you really can see the details! The builder will get us more samples to see it larger view. At this point, we doubt there will be an issue. He will also ask NPT who bought the finish locally so we may be able to see a pool in this finish. We have been studying pools since last summer. We learned a great deal. We spoke to an expert pool cleaner who highly recommended a smoother surface as even mini pebbles fall off and are hard to clean to his liking. We ruled out adding a fiberglass coating or AquaBright; too many issues. We want a very rich medium deep blue to contrast with the travertine watertile & coping as well as the green hillside & the amount of artifical turf (Products - The Artificial Lawns Company pacifica preiemium). So deeper blue is the only choice on micro; we like the look. TFP image of lightstream shell beach step marker image on mini pebble added as well. Hope this gives you something regarding micro. There is not much on web or TFP. Lightstream beach shells on pebble.JPG NPT Micro moraine.JPG
 

Ellen M

Bronze Supporter
Oct 25, 2020
10
San Diego
That looks like it's going to be a great lap pool! I like your choices. And your vegetation up the slope is going to look amazing against the pool in the foreground. Please post updates as you progress in the build.
Thank you for the lovely compliment. We hope to do a time lapse video throughout the process.
 

Ellen M

Bronze Supporter
Oct 25, 2020
10
San Diego
I recommend you reconsider installing those two items. UV is unnecessary in an outdoor pool. And the Intellichem uses ORP which does not work well in outdoor pools.

I do realize you will have an autocover. If you only plan to open the cover for very short periods primarily when there is no sun shining on the pool water surface, then those two items may be OK>
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. The majority of time our pool will be covered to maintain mid 80's temperature. The cover will be open for swim time (<1 hr day) and for spa use. During some of the summer days we may have it open for longer times to appreciate but can not guarantee sun exposure time.
 
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