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In this case, checkout PH, TA and PH/TA relationship.


It may have been said about the OCLT, but that doesn’t sound familiar. I haven’t slam’d my pool as far as I know, correct me if I’m wrong.
Ok GLAD I mentioned it. We often get spun around when a thread is pages and weeks deep. (Can't remember everything about everybody).

So when you raise your CYA, you also raise your slam FC target. (+4 FC for every 10 CYA). If algae was starting unbeknownst to you because it's microscopic and you can't see it until it's a runaway train, you might raise the CYA only to find out you have a way suckier slam in the near future. So when adding substantial amounts of CYA, like getting to SWG level here, then run an OCLT first. If you pass, then add away, and if you fail, slam before raising.


For the calcium, I’m obviously not going to add the 29lbs recommended all at once, but what should I aim for? 2-3lbs and wait or what?
That's +250 and you only need to get to 350 total, not 450. What's the CH of your fill water ? If its high like most in your area, 250 to 300 is fine and it'll rise quick on its own, so add 50 to 100. If the fill water is softened through your home system, then aim for 350. (+150).

I'd personally do 10-ish pound batches if adding alot.
 
In the left sidebar or towards the bottom of any page is the TFP Wiki that deep dives many subjects. Scroll though anytime you have a thought and it's likely we'll covered. And then work you way through anything relevant to you in your spare time. Good stuff. :)

In this case, checkout PH, TA and PH/TA relationship.



Ok GLAD I mentioned it. We often get spun around when a thread is pages and weeks deep. (Can't remember everything about everybody).

So when you raise your CYA, you also raise your slam FC target. (+4 FC for every 10 CYA). If algae was starting unbeknownst to you because it's microscopic and you can't see it until it's a runaway train, you might raise the CYA only to find out you have a way suckier slam in the near future. So when adding substantial amounts of CYA, like getting to SWG level here, then run an OCLT first. If you pass, then add away, and if you fail, slam before raising.



That's +250 and you only need to get to 350 total, not 450. What's the CH of your fill water ? If its high like most in your area, 250 to 300 is fine and it'll rise quick on its own, so add 50 to 100. If the fill water is softened through your home system, then aim for 350. (+150).

I'd personally do 10-ish pound batches if adding alot.
Got it, I’ll check it out a bit later.

I didn’t see on the CH page about how to add calcium. I assume I don’t just dump 10lbs in and pray LOL

Also, what is the purpose and is it really necessary to wipe the tip of the r-0009 with a damp cloth each drop?

TA is finally coming down so that’s good.

Why does the SC vary so much even over a day? I’m not adding any salt so how does that work?

So seeing how my SWCG raises me to around ~6ppm overnight, I think I will maybe put it back on a schedule. Will test FC mid day first to make sure it doesn’t plummet with the sun here.

Ninja edit:
Levels today
 

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I didn’t see on the CH page about how to add calcium. I assume I don’t just dump 10lbs in and pray LOL
Broadcast and brush.
Also, what is the purpose and is it really necessary to wipe the tip of the r-0009 with a damp cloth each drop?
The bottle gets a static charge in shipping. It takes some tests to go away. Maybe a dozen.
Why does the SC vary so much even over a day? I’m not adding any salt so how does that work?
The +/- one drop variance is 400. Then add a human element making perfect sample sizes and drops. And yeah. Lol.

Once you prove any of the levels stable you can go to biweekly and then monthly when 2 weeks holds well.
 
How do you broadcast? And should I brush just once or a few times? how soon can I swim after?

I see, interesting it gets that much static charge...

Ok, it's been holding steady 36-3800 for ~2.5 weeks, but I have not added any salt since prob September. If you're talking about adding salt biweekly.

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Midday FC was ~5, so I set my SWCG back on the timer to run all night from 8pm to 6am. Just want to get it to a stable ~3-4 FC but running the SWCG full-time is apparently not for my pool. We'll see what happens after a few days.

Added ~10lbs calcium chloride and brushed around 3pm today so I will test that again tonight.
 
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Midday FC was ~5, so I set my SWCG back on the timer to run all night from 8pm to 6am. Just want to get it to a stable ~3-4 FC but running the SWCG full-time is apparently not for my pool. We'll see what happens after a few days.
If you are only running the SWG at night, use the non-SWG target ranges - FC/CYA Levels
Running the SWG at night is like adding chlorine one a day. While the SWG adds over several hours at night, no FC shoukd be being used when it's dark out.

The SWG target ranges are more for when running the SWG at least during daylight hours - adding a bit of chlorine most all day long.

Also, if only running the SWG at night, check your FC right before the SWG turns on and again right after the SWG turns offfor several days. This will provide a pretty good idea of your daytime daily loss.
 
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Throw it out in the middle if the pool. The shallow end is easier to brush.

Brush that area a few times.

I'm talking about testing it biweekly. From what you report, you can go to monthly. .
You mean testing the just SC monthly, right?
If you are only running the SWG at night, use the non-SWG target ranges - FC/CYA Levels
Running the SWG at night is like adding chlorine one a day. While the SWG adds over several hours at night, no FC shoukd be being used when it's dark out.

The SWG target ranges are more for when running the SWG at least during daylight hours - adding a bit of chlorine most all day long.

Also, if only running the SWG at night, check your FC right before the SWG turns on and again right after the SWG turns offfor several days. This will provide a pretty good idea of your daytime daily loss.
The issue is I have had the SWCG on the lowest setting for a few days (my FC went as low as 1.5 since I forgot to turn on the SWCG for ~1.5 days, so I know it built back up only based on the SWCG) and it keeps the FC between 5-7 when running full-time it seems. Following your advice I now have the timer to turn on at 5am and off at 8pm. I'll see how that goes for a few days and report back here. Otherwise, I will continue attempting to adjust the other levels until they are in better ranges. Like I said, added some calcium today to bring the hardness up since the pool itself is fed from a softened bib (the only option for me right now...). Going to add some acid in a bit to bring the pH down again, it's barely over 8 now based on the color block. The TA has come down with that but I don't think I can add much more acid and still decrease TA, so I think I may start aerating soon to help bring TA down. If this is not advisable let me know...

edit: @proavia I just noticed you're over in Chandler so if you have any AZ specific advice I'm all ears.
 
edit: @proavia I just noticed you're over in Chandler so if you have any AZ specific advice I'm all ears.
What is your present CH?
If it's 175-200 or higher, I wouldn't add any calcium. With our hard water and excessive evaporation, it will climb all on its own within a few months.

EDIT - I see a test result above showing 175 and you use soft water for the autofill. Bring the calcium up to about 250-300.
Add that you use soft water for autofill to your signature.

Link PoolMath to your forum accoint and then we can see current test results without needing to ask or search.
 
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Also, lower the pH in 0.4 increments (8.2 to 7.8, etc) until the pH is 7.2. Once the pH get to 7.6, lower to 7.2 again until your TA is 60-70. Then you can let pH rise to 7.8 and lower to 7.6 when needed. You may be surprised that the pH settles in close to 7.8 with the lower TA - and your CSI will be in the 0.00 to -0.30 range as well.
 
What is your present CH?
If it's 175-200 or higher, I wouldn't add any calcium. With our hard water and excessive evaporation, it will climb all on its own within a few months.

EDIT - I see a test result above showing 175 and you use soft water for the autofill. Bring the calcium up to about 250-300.
Add that you use soft water for autofill to your signature.

Link PoolMath to your forum accoint and then we can see current test results without needing to ask or search.
as far as I know it is linked? I logged into the poolmath app with my forum login... do I need to post the link to my poolmath or am I missing something??

Other than the double acid add I did recently I do what pool math says... how soon after adding acid can I test and have it be accurate? 30min?

Poolmath said 20lbs to bring CH up to 350 and I started with 10lbs and will check the CH in a bit...
 

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In PoolMath - settings gear icon, scroll down, Sharing - chose the first option.
I don't see them when I click your profile pic - but it could be my old device causing that.

Restest after 15-20 minutes.

Keep the CH at about 225-ish for now. You can always do small additions later if needed. But to get the level down you will need to drain some water.
 
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In PoolMath - settings gear icon, scroll down, Sharing - chose the first option.
I don't see them when I click your profile pic - but it could be my old device causing that.

Restest after 15-20 minutes.

Keep the CH at about 225-ish for now. You can always do small additions later if needed. But to get the level down you will need to drain some water.
No it's not your device, I'm not seeing them either... but I do have it linked in the app so I'm not sure what's going on, maybe a setting something here I need to find.

I'll be sure to do that once I add acid later. How long after adding calcium can I test? Is there like a master list of wait times after additions to test? I don't see anything like that unless I'm just missing it....
 
Ok, I can see mine and others, not yours.
Is your PM account and forum account using the same email and password?

How long before you can test the CH again?
Maybe 24 hours after it's all mixed in. You want it to fully disperse throughout the water column.
 
Ok, I can see mine and others, not yours.
Is your PM account and forum account using the same email and password?

How long before you can test the CH again?
Maybe 24 hours after it's all mixed in. You want it to fully disperse throughout the water column.
Yeah,I can see it for everyone but me.. I even signed out of both and back in. No idea what's up with that, if anyone else could help, awesome.

Ok I'll test again tomorrow around 3 then.

Is there a master list of test wait times after adding chems?
 
Ok, I can see mine and others, not yours.
Is your PM account and forum account using the same email and password?

How long before you can test the CH again?
Maybe 24 hours after it's all mixed in. You want it to fully disperse throughout the water column.
In the little section where the poolmath logs button should show up, mine shows as a period for some reason. Literally just a period, no clue why and took forever to even find to click it. Let me know if it works for you to see my logs by clicking that tiny period..
 
In the little section where the poolmath logs button should show up, mine shows as a period for some reason. Literally just a period, no clue why and took forever to even find to click it. Let me know if it works for you to see my logs by clicking that tiny period..
No, I don't see a period - just white space.
I tagged Leebo in yout PoolMath issue thread. He will probably look into it sometime tomorrow if he has time.

In the mean time, you can use the second option in PM to share your logs using a link.
I think you can put the link in your signature so it always shows without you needing to add it to each post.
 
Looking at my last 3 tests, things are looking pretty good other than still battling pH. TA is still coming down though and I foresee it plateauing maybe by the weekend. I didn’t test CYA this morning as I know I need to add some, which I will do after work today.
 

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