Air bubbles in two spa returns

[ajw22]

Reduce RPM 100 at a time until your SWG shows NO FLOW. Then add 300 RPM and that should be your pump low speed setting.

Add 400-500 RPM and that should be your pump high speed.

See how those speed work and then tweak them up or down.

 

[hensler74]

Reduce RPM 100 at a time until your SWG shows NO FLOW. Then add 300 RPM and that should be your pump low speed setting.

Add 400-500 RPM and that should be your pump high speed.

See how those speed work and then tweak them up or down.

Thanks I will do that now. Should I program them to run longer as well? I currently have it set for 13 hours a day.

 

[ajw22]

13 hours of running your SWG at 60% will give you 4ppm of FC.

 

[hensler74]

13 hours of running your SWG at 60% will give you 4ppm of FC.

Would it benefit me to run the pump longer and lower the SWCG %? I am just trying to figure out if I should allow the pump to potentially run for 24 hours with a lower SWCG% or if that really matters or not.

 

[ajw22]

Once you run your pump long enough to chlorinate and skim your pool you are in the realm of personal preference.

I like running my pump 24/7. I feel not starting and stopping the pump improves the reliability by not having thermal cycles.

 

[Rancho Cost-a-Lotta]

The greatest benefit of a VS pump is cost savings. You can run a pump for 7 hours at 1400 for same cost of running for 1 hour at 2800 rpm. The goal is to run the pump as slow as you can while accomplishing your goals. Check out the relationship between RPMs and Watts in the chart below (credit @PoolGate).

 

[hensler74]

Once you run your pump long enough to chlorinate and skim your pool you are in the realm of personal preference.

I like running my pump 24/7. I feel not starting and stopping the pump improves the reliability by not having .

That is the kind of information I needed.
Currently still trying to figure out my minimum and maximum speeds based of your earlier reply. I am currently down to 1200 rpm and it is still showing flow at the flow sensor, the SWCG board and the app.

 

[hensler74]

Reduce RPM 100 at a time until your SWG shows NO FLOW. Then add 300 RPM and that should be your pump low speed setting.

Add 400-500 RPM and that should be your pump high speed.

See how those speed work and then tweak them up or down.

Ok I found the sweet spots for low and high speeds. Now I have one last question as this has changed other things with my filter and filter pressure.
Before having a vs pump my filter pressure baseline was 19 and now running at low speed of 1650 the pressure is at less than 10 and I am noticing a small leak from the band that holds the filter compartment together.
Is this to be expected?
At high speed the filter pressure is right at 10 I am not sure if the small leak stops at the higher speed.


Sorry if these are all common knowledge questions.

 

[ajw22]

Filter pressure is proportional to RPM. Lower RPM will have lower PSI. Nothing to worry about there.

I think the filter band leak is a coincidence.

 

[hensler74]

Filter pressure is proportional to RPM. Lower RPM will have lower PSI. Nothing to worry about there.

I think the filter band leak is a coincidence.

Thanks I will keep an eye on the filter band and maybe tighten it up a little at a time to see if it stops the leak. It is not a major leak anyway.

Appreciate all your help today.

 

[HermanTX]

Well the RS485 cable came in early so I installed it today and it is successfully controlling the Whisperflo VST pump. Photos of the automation I setup currently attached. My question now is what is good speeds and times to run it for as I am new to a VS pump. I currently have it set to run a high speed (3300 rpm) for 4 hours a day and a low speed (2200 rpm) for 9 hours a day. My SWCG is set for 65% but that is what I had it on when the pump was just running 3300 rpm for 9 hours a day.
Recommendations will be greatly appreciated and I am sure I will have to play with the SWCG % once I get all the automation set to what is recommended.

I want to confirm that you have a SPA.
Also what type of CLEANER do you have? Is a presssure side cleaner with a booster pump? Or some other type?

You can improve your schedule and complexity. The Speed screen should have POOL & SPA as the default for the first 2 speeds (if you have a SPA)
The POOL speed should be the lowest speed that still operates the SWCG.

With regard to schedule set the FILTER PUMP to run from 8am to 5pm (non-stop). YOu can run longer if you wish. The iAquaLink does not allow a full 24 hr schedule so you have to start and stop the schedule. Mine is stopped for 15mins during mid-afternoon.
Then schedule your other speeds inside the FILTER PUMP. The software will always run the higher speed when 2 schedules overlap.
See mine for ideas.

 

[Rancho Cost-a-Lotta]

I'm so glad that the pump you got works with your automation. That is a huge upgrade, and once you sort out the details, it will save money and make things easier for you.

 

[hensler74]

I want to confirm that you have a SPA.
Also what type of CLEANER do you have? Is a presssure side cleaner with a booster pump? Or some other type?

You can improve your schedule and complexity. The Speed screen should have POOL & SPA as the default for the first 2 speeds (if you have a SPA)
The POOL speed should be the lowest speed that still operates the SWCG.

With regard to schedule set the FILTER PUMP to run from 8am to 5pm (non-stop). YOu can run longer if you wish. The iAquaLink does not allow a full 24 hr schedule so you have to start and stop the schedule. Mine is stopped for 15mins during mid-afternoon.
Then schedule your other speeds inside the FILTER PUMP. The software will always run the higher speed when 2 schedules overlap.
See mine for ideas.
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I do have a spa and my cleaner is a pressure side cleaner with booster pump.
My daughter and son in law were in the spa last night and I was trying to figure the whole rpm while it was running and what I did was set up a one touch button for when spa mode is on to run the pump at a higher speed to get the desired pressure for the spa.
I am not sure I set up any of my programming correct though. I have attached screenshots of my schedule and how I set it up.
Also since hooking up the RS485 cable my Help button on the app will not work for some reason. I as actually fixing to hook up the multiplex board I have to put the RS485 and all other wires individually to see if that fixes that issue or not.

 

[HermanTX]

I do have a spa and my cleaner is a pressure side cleaner with booster pump.
My daughter and son in law were in the spa last night and I was trying to figure the whole rpm while it was running and what I did was set up a one touch button for when spa mode is on to run the pump at a higher speed to get the desired pressure for the spa.
I am not sure I set up any of my programming correct though. I have attached screenshots of my schedule and how I set it up.
Also since hooking up the RS485 cable my Help button on the app will not work for some reason. I as actually fixing to hook up the multiplex board I have to put the RS485 and all other wires individually to see if that fixes that issue or not.

Is everything functioning probably after a day or 2 of operating?
I see somethings that could be improved but need to know what is happening.
The schedule for FILTER PUMP is the baseline speed. It always reads the Speed 1 which is POOL LOW on your speed settings. So there is no need to schedule SPEED LOW separately.
When you go to SPA mode what speed does your pump run at? It should select the Speed 2 which you have listed as POOL HIGH. So I am curious how it is working.
The third thing is how is the CLEANER working? Normally you have to move a dipswitch to activate it and it is set as Speed 3. You have that listed as SPA. So again I am curious if that is working?

Also, an important point - do.not schedule a ONE TOUCH command. Those are set up for “as need” use.

Do you know the revision of your firmware? I do not understand why HELP function is not working. Remember that each RED connector can have maximum 2 devices connected to it.

 

[hensler74]

Is everything functioning probably after a day or 2 of operating?
I see somethings that could be improved but need to know what is happening.
The schedule for FILTER PUMP is the baseline speed. It always reads the Speed 1 which is POOL LOW on your speed settings. So there is no need to schedule SPEED LOW separately.
When you go to SPA mode what speed does your pump run at? It should select the Speed 2 which you have listed as POOL HIGH. So I am curious how it is working.
The third thing is how is the CLEANER working? Normally you have to move a dipswitch to activate it and it is set as Speed 3. You have that listed as SPA. So again I am curious if that is working?

Also, an important point - do.not schedule a ONE TOUCH command. Those are set up for “as need” use.

Do you know the revision of your firmware? I do not understand why HELP function is not working. Remember that each RED connector can have maximum 2 devices connected to it.

Everything seems to be working fine as is right now. I am working from home today so I may clear the memory on it and start again to see if I can set it up as you described.
As for the cleaner I have never had to move a dip switch to activate it as it has always been on a schedule from the automation when I bought the house. But I can say I don’t think it was setup properly from the start as the booster pump will come on and run without the filter pump on.
As for the revision on firmware how would I find this? I think normally I would go the the hep button and it would tell me but that is not working and I have emailed Jandy support about that.

 

[HermanTX]

As for the cleaner I have never had to move a dip switch to activate it as it has always been on a schedule from the automation when I bought the house. But I can say I don’t think it was setup properly from the start as the booster pump will come on and run without the filter pump on.

The first 3 speed settings on the VS pump set up is reserved for the following
Pool - normal filter pump operation in Pool mode and will run at the designated speed
Spa - normal filter pump operation but in Spa Mode and will run at the designated speed
Cleaner - if dipswitch #1 is pushed ON and the Cleaner Booster Pump is set up to AUX 1 relay (which is the relay below the Filter Pump relay in the cabinet), then when CLEANER is scheduled, it will automatically turn on the Filter Pump and will run at the designated speed for CLEANER speed setting.
If you run your Pump 24 hrs then it won’t really matter as the filter pump will be already on, however the filter pump speed will not be adjusted.

 

[hensler74]

The first 3 speed settings on the VS pump set up is reserved for the following
Pool - normal filter pump operation in Pool mode and will run at the designated speed
Spa - normal filter pump operation but in Spa Mode and will run at the designated speed
Cleaner - if dipswitch #1 is pushed ON and the Cleaner Booster Pump is set up to AUX 1 relay (which is the relay below the Filter Pump relay in the cabinet), then when CLEANER is scheduled, it will automatically turn on the Filter Pump and will run at the designated speed for CLEANER speed setting.
If you run your Pump 24 hrs then it won’t really matter as the filter pump will be already on, however the filter pump speed will not be adjusted.
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I will need to check out the dip switch for the cleaner as I have never paid attention to it. I did go in and clear the memory and adjusted my schedule and spa setup and tested and it worked just fine.
I did add one of the speeds available in the VSP setup as cleaner pump (really just renamed it as I left it the speed 3 as it defaults to) to have it run a little higher rpm while cleaning. If this is not needed and the cleaner will run just fine at the Filter pump speed then I can remove it. Thinking maybe I schedule to run for 24 hours at the low speed and adjust the SWCG and all of that jazz. Then I could remove some of the schedules I have for Friday nights when we generally have people over to swim and hang out.
As for the small leak at the filter housing band I have tightened it a couple of times and it still leaks so I have ordered a new O ring for that to see if that fixes this issue.
As for the Help button and Product Info button the the app not working I spoke with a Jandy technical support rep today and they say there is corrupt data in my product info somewhere and the only way it can be cleared is for a pool tech that has a Jandy One Touch come out and clear the corrupt data. They say this cannot be done via app or website for some reason. So there is that

 

[HermanTX]

As for the Help button and Product Info button the the app not working I spoke with a Jandy technical support rep today and they say there is corrupt data in my product info somewhere and the only way it can be cleared is for a pool tech that has a Jandy One Touch come out and clear the corrupt data. They say this cannot be done via app or website for some reason. So there is that

Good to know. Thanks for the feedback.

I did add one of the speeds available in the VSP setup as cleaner pump (really just renamed it as I left it the speed 3 as it defaults to) to have it run a little higher rpm while cleaning. If this is not needed and the cleaner will run just fine at the Filter pump speed then I can remove it. Thinking maybe I schedule to run for 24 hours at the low speed and adjust the SWCG and all of that jazz. Then I could remove some of the schedules I have for Friday nights when we generally have people over to swim and hang out.

I am not sure I am following you. Maybe post a screenshot of the VSP speed settings if they have changed from the earlier photo. Which is CLEANER PMP and which is CLEANER?

Pressure side cleaners work best with higher pressure. Each cleaner have there specific specifications for wheel rotation speed (which translates from pump pressure being applied). You would just need to determine if your cleaner is moving around well enough if the pool pump is on its baseline speed and the booster pump is applying sufficient pressure to move the cleaner.

 

[hensler74]

Good to know. Thanks for the feedback.

I am not sure I am following you. Maybe post a screenshot of the VSP speed settings if they have changed from the earlier photo. Which is CLEANER PMP and which is CLEANER?

Pressure side cleaners work best with higher pressure. Each cleaner have there specific specifications for wheel rotation speed (which translates from pump pressure being applied). You would just need to determine if your cleaner is moving around well enough if the pool pump is on its baseline speed and the booster pump is applying sufficient pressure to move the cleaner.

I should have been more clear. I did change all the VSP settings and let them go back to factory. So 1 is pool, 2 is Spa, 3 is cleaner but I labeled it Cleaner PMP & then I added Pool High down towards the bottom for the times I want to run it higher and then a Skim for when my wife tells me there is too much stuff on top of the pool and she does not know how to use the net....LOL
I added a picture here as well for those settings. I am guessing once I look at the dip switch one and if toggled off and I toggle it on I could remove the Cleaner PMP schedule that I setup.

 

[HermanTX]

I did change all the VSP settings and let them go back to factory. So 1 is pool, 2 is Spa, 3 is cleaner but I labeled it Cleaner PMP & then I added Pool High down towards the bottom for the times I want to run it higher and then a Skim for when my wife tells me there is too much stuff on top

So if it defaulted back to CLEANER as the 3rd speed, the dipswitch may already be moved to ON.
Do you understanding how the wiring works on the relays? Can you tell if the booster pump wiring is set up to the Lower left relay which is called AUX 1? You would follow the conduit from the booster pump to the cabinet, then follow the wires if they go to AUX 1 relay.
Most booster pumps are 240V, so there will be 3 wires - 2 hot wires to the relay and 1 ground to the ground bar.
You could turn off the circuit breaker to the booster pump first. Each pump should be on its own CB.
You can take photos and post back for guidance.