Im drowning and I cant get it right

[SeanThePoolFreshman]

@W.J.Christy beat me to it, but you definitely need to replace those DWV fittings with fittings meant for pressure. The sockets on DWV fittings are only 1/2 the depth of the pressure sch. 40 fittings. From you mentioning he used the wrong pipe, maybe this is what you were talking about. Check to make sure he didn't use DWV piping as well. That stuff isn't made for pressure. Look at the labeling on the pipe itself. I'm sure you can do much better yourself. The guy that did that hadn't a clue about pool plumbing, and probably plumbing in general judging from how sloppy the work is.

I suppose valve #4 is supposed to be an isolation / stop valve. I suppose it's there because you said the stop downstream of it (#5) is nonfunctional, welded in the open position. I'm not sure how #5 is supposed to regulate the slide. I suppose by providing back-pressure on the pool return it's supposed to feed the slide. That's not the way to do it. Put a working service stop (either a GOOD ball valve--preferably a union ball valve) or a Jandy 2-way valve where the existing ball valve is. Upstream of that put a 3-way Jandy valve (diverter valve). You can use that to dial in the right flow. Heck, if you want to go cheap, you can just put in a tee and a gate valve (hose bib).

One thing you kind of have going for you is you at least have 10"+ of straight run right into the pump. Put unions on both ports of the pump and plumb off of those. Put unions on everything attached to the multiport valve on the filter. I don't know how anyone expects you to be able to open the filter up and work on it.

Definitely get that power whip to the pump fixed.

I could be missing it, but I don't see a bond wire anywhere. That pump needs to be bonded to the pool frame with a heavy gauge (like #6) copper wire.

The pump is wired to the pool itself, just hard to see due to the leaves at the moment. Have to rebuild the door to the shed because everyday it fills up with leaves in there. Not the best wire as apparently the one from the pool was too short so they added on and loosely tied it. I will be picking up a few crimps today to ensure good contact when I replace the power whip and timer.



The pump and filter sit on a concrete slab roughly 8.5ft lower then the top of the water level for the pool. I have considered raising this up, but nit sure if it would be worth the effort. I don't know how much strain it actually causes to push the water back into the pool from a declined position. My brain equates it to trying to push a car uphill by hand, I could be wrong and it may not matter. The ball joint to the water slide was put in because it sits on the deck of the pool and with its current location when you turn the valve at the slide to run the water it produces pressure enough for about 15 minutes. I believe that the intent was to increase the pressure slightly below the slides hose port to keep consistent flow. As it stands right now with it wide open, if the slide runs for more than 15 minutes air goes down the lines, stops water flow and will send air bubbles out of my returns. Additionally, I have no means currently to prevent backflow if I am working on the plumbing on the return ends other than to plug my returns off completely. I need to reseal the cement on the pool side of the regulator valve due to it has begun to fail.



This image shows the pump house and pool. It is 25' from the edge of the pool to the pump house. Picture does not show it very well as I am standing on an incline, but the pump and filter are on a concrete slab roughly 8.5' below the pools surface water line. They are roughly 6'-6.5' below the returns back into the pool. I am redoing the plumbing today for the pool and have the scooper on the tractor, should the height and placement if the pump/filter be different? If I am going to move it I would rather do it now since I am already cutting pipe.

 

[jedigrover]

The height is ok. Not great, but you can run a flooded setup like that (when pump is below the vessel). You do need some check valves to prevent back flow.

 

[ghall6292]

Holy cow, Sean! Are you doing this all by yourself? And, if so, when and how in God's name do you sleep??? I wish I was closer; I'd come out and try to help in any way I could. You truly DO have a nightmare on your hands.

But at least you're now in the right place, and you have some of the best already on the job. Make no mistake- I'm not included in that rarified group, but I do what I can! Most importantly, you have an incredibly great attitude, considering the hand you've been dealt. I'm impressed. (That's way more than 10% of 99.87% of what it takes, by the way.)

The fine folks on this site won't let you go it alone any longer; keep the faith and press on.

 

[jedigrover]

The height is ok. Not great, but you can run a flooded setup like that (when pump is below the vessel). You do need some check valves to prevent back flow.

Just FYI, from the pump's manual:
Fittings and Valves 1. Do not install 90° elbows directly into pump inlet. 2. Flooded suction systems should have gate valves installed on suction and discharge pipes for maintenance, however, the suction gate valve should be no closer than five times the suction pipe diameter as described in this section. 3. Use a check valve in the discharge line when using this pump for any application where there is significant height to the plumbing after the pump. 4. Be sure to install check valves when plumbing in parallel with another pump. This helps prevent reverse rotation of the impeller and motor.

So they are saying to put isolation valves on both inlet and outlet lines for maintenance (really, any install should have them). You definitely need a check valve on the return line to prevent backflow since you are pumping uphill. I like a check valve on the inlet side too, personally (to prevent drainback), but it's not strictly required in many instances.

Suction side piping should be as big or bigger than the discharge side piping. So on your suction side, I would run those individual lines into a 2.5" or 3" manifold and bring that into the pump.

 

[jedigrover]

Also, for the slide, I would put a check-valve specifically on that. That would stop it from bringing air back into your returns.
If it were me, I think I'd favor something like this:

 

[Bperry]

Just dropping in to make sure I don’t miss what the pool looks like when it’s all fixed.

 

[zimdogg]

As a fellow pool newbie, also following along here.

 

[SeanThePoolFreshman]

As a fellow pool newbie, also following along here.

Feel free to chime in and if anything sparked a question with you ask it freely, we shall learn together. Do you already test your pool on your own? I see you joined on the 24th of May, I don't have the links but in this thread there is a link on how to update your signature and also it was really helpful for me to add my pool details to my profile instead of everyone having to search or ask details. Was helpful advice I had gotten.

Have you already downloaded the pool math app as well? My test Kit comes in on Friday, I order the TF-100 Pro kit. Can't wait to update the app for the first time and start really being able to monitor my logs and give my pool and water the love it drastically needs.

TFP also has a YouTube channel (link in the comments) that had a ton of tips and starter guides for us, even a lot of more detailed information about specific chemistry and care of pools. Super informative!!!

Welcome to TFP by the way, haha!

 

[MITBeta]

 

[SeanThePoolFreshman]

Can someone help me decipher what this means please, I got this email from TFTestKits today:

Hello,
Unfortunately we are unable to completely fulfill your order, as we are currently out of R-0870 DPD Powder scoops. One will be mailed to you by the end of this week. I sincerely apologize for the delay and for the inconvenience this will cause. If you do not receive your scoop by June 7th, 2022, please email [email protected] or reply to this email and we will rectify the situation as soon as possible. Thank you for your business and your patience as we resolve this issue.

I am really impressed by the communication from this company as well as that they did have it listed on the website that they are getting caught up on backorder right now. I don't mind at all having to wait a bit. My understanding is I will still get my kit, just minus the R-0870 DPD Powder Scoops.

What is this item? Can I still use my kit without this to get started with correcting the conditions? Is this just the scoop utensil or referencing the powder itself as well? What does R-0870 powder do/used for? Will this mean I won't be able to conduct my testing until on/about June 7th when that item arrives at my house?

Definitely excited to start getting my hands dirty and feet wet, in the meantime I have PLENTY to keep me busy haha.

 

[Bperry]

Can someone help me decipher what this means please, I got this email from TFTestKits today:

Hello,
Unfortunately we are unable to completely fulfill your order, as we are currently out of R-0870 DPD Powder scoops. One will be mailed to you by the end of this week. I sincerely apologize for the delay and for the inconvenience this will cause. If you do not receive your scoop by June 7th, 2022, please email [email protected] or reply to this email and we will rectify the situation as soon as possible. Thank you for your business and your patience as we resolve this issue.

I am really impressed by the communication from this company as well as that they did have it listed on the website that they are getting caught up on backorder right now. I don't mind at all having to wait a bit. My understanding is I will still get my kit, just minus the R-0870 DPD Powder Scoops.

What is this item? Can I still use my kit without this to get started with correcting the conditions? Is this just the scoop utensil or referencing the powder itself as well? What does R-0870 powder do/used for? Will this mean I won't be able to conduct my testing until on/about June 7th when that item arrives at my house?

Definitely excited to start getting my hands dirty and feet wet, in the meantime I have PLENTY to keep me busy haha.

It’s a very tiny spoon used to scoop and measure the powder. Not the end of the world but unfortunate.

 

[PoolStored]

It is likely just the scoop. The scoop puts about a BB size amount of the DPD powder into the sample. If you put enough DPD powder in, so that there are maybe a few grains that didn't dissolve, that is enough and you can test.

 

[SeanThePoolFreshman]

Also, for the slide, I would put a check-valve specifically on that. That would stop it from bringing air back into your returns.
If it were me, I think I'd favor something like this:
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This is EXACTLY what I had in mind and even the layout that I had pictured in my head. Thank you! I have been asking around at various places if people could help me get what I need, but I am a complete toddler when it comes to drawing pictures, and just created more confusion trying to explain my pressure regulation issues.

You seem to be very well versed in the construction/mechanical side of this stuff. It seems around me that for the plumbing associated with the pools everyone (even lowes and home depot) just refer me to go to the pool store (which I don't want to give them another penny) or look online. Do you know of any suppliers that would carry the items that I am needing in order to get the plumbing and junctions corrected properly?

 

[SeanThePoolFreshman]

It is likely just the scoop. The scoop puts about a BB size amount of the DPD powder into the sample. If you put enough DPD powder in, so that there are maybe a few grains that didn't dissolve, that is enough and you can test.

I have a lot of tools and probably more measurement tools than I will ever need, do you by chance know either the weight of the powder per scoop or the size of the scoop itself? I might be able to get a near exact match with a bit of effort while I wait.

 

[Mdragger88]

Can someone help me decipher what this means please, I got this email from TFTestKits today:

Hello,
Unfortunately we are unable to completely fulfill your order, as we are currently out of R-0870 DPD Powder scoops. One will be mailed to you by the end of this week. I sincerely apologize for the delay and for the inconvenience this will cause. If you do not receive your scoop by June 7th, 2022, please email [email protected] or reply to this email and we will rectify the situation as soon as possible. Thank you for your business and your patience as we resolve this issue.

I am really impressed by the communication from this company as well as that they did have it listed on the website that they are getting caught up on backorder right now. I don't mind at all having to wait a bit. My understanding is I will still get my kit, just minus the R-0870 DPD Powder Scoops.

What is this item? Can I still use my kit without this to get started with correcting the conditions? Is this just the scoop utensil or referencing the powder itself as well? What does R-0870 powder do/used for? Will this mean I won't be able to conduct my testing until on/about June 7th when that item arrives at my house?

Definitely excited to start getting my hands dirty and feet wet, in the meantime I have PLENTY to keep me busy haha.

It is a tiny plastic scoop that u use to scoop the powder to do the fc test with. I have a bunch of them - if u were closer I’d bring u one! Not sure if there’s another easy way for u to measure the powder so u can run the test. Hopefully someone will speak to that soon.

 

[Mdragger88]

I just measured for u - one heaping scoop of dpd powder is 0.1 gram
If u have any of those little ear wax scoopers that would probably work

 

[PoolStored]

I just measured for u - one heaping scoop of dpd powder is 0.1 gram

This gave me the instant mental image of you lining out DPD like cocaine. Don't know why...white powder that is super valuable (for testing pools)? LOL

 

[Orion7319]

If u have any of those little ear wax scoopers that would probably work

That’s a thing????????

 

[Orion7319]

Following along for the ride. Just remember if at the end of the project there wasn’t some bleeding and some cussing, you probably did something wrong…

 

[jedigrover]

This is EXACTLY what I had in mind and even the layout that I had pictured in my head. Thank you! I have been asking around at various places if people could help me get what I need, but I am a complete toddler when it comes to drawing pictures, and just created more confusion trying to explain my pressure regulation issues.

You seem to be very well versed in the construction/mechanical side of this stuff. It seems around me that for the plumbing associated with the pools everyone (even lowes and home depot) just refer me to go to the pool store (which I don't want to give them another penny) or look online. Do you know of any suppliers that would carry the items that I am needing in order to get the plumbing and junctions corrected properly?

Let me get the kids to bed and I can come back and give you some links.