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[JoyfulNoise]

Yeah. Easy coast precipitation is great … until it’s not

‘86 Hurricane Gloria Survivor

 

[Noreaster]

Yeah. Easy coast precipitation is great … until it’s not

‘86 Hurricane Gloria Survivor

Gloria was 85. Then Bob in 91. We were on vacation On Nantucket for Bob, got to spend 2 days in the evacuation center (the middle school if i recall). Then stuck on the island for another 5 as the ferries were down and out.

Our new england hurricanes are nothing like what has hit the south though.

 

[JoyfulNoise]

Gloria was 85. Then Bob in 91. We were on vacation On Nantucket for Bob, got to spend 2 days in the evacuation center (the middle school if i recall). Then stuck on the island for another 5 as the ferries were down and out.

Our new england hurricanes are nothing like what has hit the south though.

Old age and recollection … yes, 85. It was the start of my ‘85/‘86 school year so I suppose I always equate it with ‘86.

 

[Newdude]

Our new england hurricanes are nothing like what has hit the south though

*have been nothing like, lately. Which makes us loooooooooooooong overdue.

Superstore Sandy was an equal for anyone near the coast.

It was the start of my ‘85/‘86 school year so I suppose I always equate it with ‘86.

1986 was our 1969 that everything else of remembrance happened in. We are conditioned to just assume XYZ was in '86.

 

[Dirk]

I get it (sort of). Florida folks don't see a need for levelers either. And I'll admit, it's just one more thing to fail and fix. I'm projecting, of course. I can't be trusted to fill a pool with a hose (or in any manual way), or drain one! I don't know how many gallons I've poured down the hill filling my stupid fountain. Even after doing it over and over, I never learn. I'll start the hose, swearing this time will be different, and I'll make a point to just stand there and watch it and not try to do even one other thing. Just watch the hose. Watch the hose. Watch the hose. OOOOOOOOOOH !!!!!!! Squirrel !!!!!!

Hours later. ARG! Not again!!!

I need constant supervision...

 

[Newdude]

I use the occasional fill time as an excuse to make the kids swim. They'll refuse the offer 32 times in a row, but if i toss a hose in the pool and they can't get suited up fast enough. So that they can play with water, while in the water. I dunno man. I dunno. Teenagers. Amirite ?????

 

[Dirk]

OK, I'll keep trying. I'm running out of things to suggest... You already know about the read-the-meter fill trick... Hmmm.

I got rid of my drains. Don't miss 'em, glad they're gone, didn't like lookin' at them, or worrying about entrapment, or dragging the stranded vac off the covers. Have you thought that through? They're not necessarily necessary...

 

[Newdude]

OK, I'll keep trying.

Please do. They are ALL awesome thoughts. One of them might be overlooked. You weren't hand delivered an invite here to be silent. And THANKS for accepting.

or dragging the stranded vac off the covers. Have you thought that through?

I have. And somewhere or another I bookmarked a clip on drain cover adapter doomahickie that stops the robot from getting hung up. If he does.

Keep. Them. Ideas. Comin !!!!

 

[Dirk]

Did you consider no drains at all? That's what I was getting at, more than the covers issues. Less plumbing, for one thing. Or is that another winterizing dealio?

I really like those drain covers that are flat to the surface. Not sure if something like that is available for your type of pool. There are many brands and types. Here's just one that popped up on Google:

Invisible drains | Easy Drain

www.easydrain.com

Oops, those are bathrooms. But there are pool ones, too, I just grabbed the wrong link.

 

[Dirk]

These guys. Do they make something like this for a liner pool?

Channel Pebble Top Drain Covers — Color Match Pool Fittings

The Unblockable Channel Pebble Top Drain Cover

www.poolfittings.com

 

[Dirk]

There's these:

Vinyl Top Drain Covers & Fittings — Color Match Pool Fittings

VINYL TOP DRAIN COVERS The only disappearing drain cover made for vinyl pool liners

www.poolfittings.com

 

[Newdude]

I am one of the few weirdos who loved my main drains and found they came in handy for sweeping crud into them like it was 1970. Not efficiently mind you, it took some effort to make the right dust cloud immediately over them. But they came in handy at times. And also for the quick draining at closing time. The standard issue anti entrapment covers look like they belong in a vinyl pool. If it was fancier, I'd likely want fancier covers.

*disclaimer, equipment was at pool height and I sat there babysitting the pump to ensure it didn't lose prime while draining.

 

[Dirk]

OK, here's one that always bugs me when I see pics of pads (my own included). I'd want the plumbers to spend just a couple of extra minutes and $3 worth of PVC to plot all the components in such a way that they could someday be replaced. For example, instead of jamming all the suction and return manifold valves right up next to each other, leave enough space between them to cut them out and put a new one in, by using couplers or whatever. Same goes for everything: the SWG unions, pump unions, check valves, whatever. In other words, have them think in terms of the next time, not just this time. This notion would have to be communicated before they run the first pipe in the ditch, because it's how they come up out of the ground that usually drives the worst of this bad-practice.

I guess it's too late for a drain on the pad. I have one, and it comes in very handy when I have to drain the filter.

Lights over the pad, of course. Surveillance cam over it, too, to keep an eye on things while away. Ethernet cable at the pad, for future automation?

Hose bib near the pad?

Soft water spigot to fill the pool? I have high CH fill water, so that's my obsession. Maybe not in your area?

More later...

 

[Newdude]

here's one that always bugs me when I see pics of pads (my own included). I'd want the plumbers to spend just a couple of extra minutes and $3 worth of PVC to plot all the components in such a way that they could someday be replaced

Check.

The Simpool ( Registered trademark of Mdraggercorp) will have lots of room on the 10ft equiement pad. And the pump will be unioned with these, not the mamby pamby ones that slip over the pump threading.



The filter uses the slip over kind as it doesn't have internal threads like the pump, so no choice there.

The SWG unions are fine quality by themselves.

Lights over the pad, of course.

On the do-later because my labor is free list.

Hose bib near the pad

Have one 10 ft away already.

Surveillance cam over it, too, to keep an eye on things while away. Ethernet cable at the pad, for future automation?

I'm handy if the need ever arises and the pad location by the house makes that easy one day.

More later..

 

[JoyfulNoise]

Don’t forget the acid injector ….

 

[Dirk]

will be unioned

And that's the standard "right off" for this issue. The unions make changing out the components to which they attach a breeze. But what if you have to change out the unions?! They might fail, or you might change brands, etc. So even the unions should have a length of PVC in front of them to allow for replacement. Things that make you go... hmmmmm...

The trick is to picture every component (even PVC elbows, 'cause they can fail, too), then picture how that would get swapped out. How many other, healthy, expensive components would you lose to change out the one bad one? Whenever the answer is "more than zero" then there should be an extra run of PVC (3 or 4" would probably do it). Another one of my "overkill" ideas, for sure, and sometimes there's no practical way to make this happen for every single part. But if it's just as easy to allow some extra PVC as not, then why not. Plumbers aren't thinking of this during assembly, they're thinking about that Arby's Roast Beef Sandwich and how quickly they can get to it!

I'm just suggesting you keep on eye on the plumbing, with the knowledge that you'll be the one fixing it someday, and not leave how it all goes together entirely up to this guy:

 

[kul]

The trick is to picture every component (even PVC elbows, 'cause they can fail, too), then picture how that would get swapped out. How many other, healthy components would you lose to change out the one bad one?

This is wise. I always try to do this, but sometimes it’s that one thing you forgot to consider that leads to a face palm.

 

[Dirk]

Don’t forget the acid injector ….

Ha, ha, you're too late. I already told that joke! #44

 

[Bill1974]

Of course, and that's a consideration if he knows what he's running and where. I was suggesting empty conduit as a way of leaving options open for future needs, the ones he might not think of now, or might think he'll never want. Never say never, unless there's no conduit under the deck!

For sure. That's a matter of understanding why that is and planning ahead for the need. Even 360° can be pushing it, depending on number and type of wires.

100%! I've recommended strong, nylon twine to others for this. What is pull tape?

If everything is planned than it all works out.

When I redid my pool I ran a new power line. I planned on PVC conduit and copper thwn wire until I figured out the cost. So I switches to aluminum direct burial cable. Sized it so I have a 100A 240V subpanel by my pool equipment (large enough for a heat pump and anything else I would ever need to run out there). It was about a 1/3 the cost and no challenge of pulling wire (i don't think it would have been to bad with a helper, it would have been about 150 ft and 360° of bends). All I did was dig trenches a little deeper.

For the pull tape, I have used this: https://www.amazon.com/Made-1250-Pull-Tape-Webbing/dp/B00KY8C4EI?th=1
Strong, doesn't stretch and less of chance to cut into the bends in PVC conduit.

 

[Newdude]

I'm just suggesting you keep on eye on the plumbing, with the knowledge that you'll be the one fixing it someday, and not leave how it all goes together entirely up to this guy:

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Dually noted. And thanks.

Also, what if I am the after guy, but I look like the before guy. Meh..... hold my beer