upgrade pump/filter Coleman

[gussie1966]

Coleman stock pump/filter keeps leaking from filter canister

Looking at getting this https://www.walmart.com/ip/Intex-Kr...round-Pool-Sand-Filter-Pump-28651EG/173536825

Any input/recommendations?

 

[kimkats]

Several people have reported good luck with this unit. Use the white search box at the top of this page to find some threads about it. Let us know what you end up doing.

Kim

 

[gussie1966]

any recommendations for regular pump and cartridge filter?

any pros or cons on cartridge vs sand filters?

 

[LFrankow]

I like my sand filter for ease of maintenance.
Backwash takes 5 minutes tops.
Sand lasts forever.
Con is it doesn't filter as good as paper or DE.
After using one for 7 years I would not hesitate to replace with another.

 

[lightmaster]

I have the 18' version of your pool and I highly recommend Amazon.com : Hayward C4001575XES Easy-Clear 1-Horsepower Pump Pool Filter System : Swimming Pool Water Pumps : Patio, Lawn Garden. I just installed a through wall skimmer and replaced my hoses with PVC, but this pump filter combo worked great with the normal hoses to. If you get it, grab these to connect your Intex style hoses to the pump's normal FPT fittings. Use lots of Teflon tape too. GAME 4560 40mm to 1 1/2 Inch Conversion Kit (For Intex & Bestway Pools)

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Amazon picture doesn't show it, but it comes with a 1HP Hayward Power-Flo LX

 

[gussie1966]

I like my sand filter for ease of maintenance.
Backwash takes 5 minutes tops.
Sand lasts forever.
Con is it doesn't filter as good as paper or DE.
After using one for 7 years I would not hesitate to replace with another.

Can you explain about what is doesn't filter as well as paper? thanks

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I have the 18' version of your pool and I highly recommend Amazon.com : Hayward C4001575XES Easy-Clear 1-Horsepower Pump Pool Filter System : Swimming Pool Water Pumps : Patio, Lawn Garden. I just installed a through wall skimmer and replaced my hoses with PVC, but this pump filter combo worked great with the normal hoses to. If you get it, grab these to connect your Intex style hoses to the pump's normal FPT fittings. Use lots of Teflon tape too. GAME 4560 40mm to 1 1/2 Inch Conversion Kit (For Intex & Bestway Pools)

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Amazon picture doesn't show it, but it comes with a 1HP Hayward Power-Flo LX

Anyone know if this work on my pool? My pool is twice the gallons

 

[setsailsoon]

Gussie,

As KimKats mentioned above there are LOTs of discussions about the different types of filters on this site. You can find them by searching. There are also some very strong beliefs that each one is best. So this sort of depends on who you ask. I'll try to summarize in an unbiased way:

• There are 3 types sand, DE, cartridge
• All three work and are used in pools successfully
• Sand is the oldest and so it's probably the most common
• DE and Sand consume more energy because of the complicated piping but the increased amount of energy consumed is probably not that significant to your electric bill
• DE and Sand require back flushing that consumes a lot of water. If you are in the lower tier of your water bill costs or water is cheap in your area this probably isn't a big deal unless you care a lot about environmental issues
• DE and cartridges can remove particles down to a couple of microns and generally DE is accepted as the best. This is way better than sand performance which traps particles down to 20-40 microns. But the truth is that pools don't need better than 20-40 micron filtration to look great.
• DE and sand need require more maintenance (mostly back-flushing) than a properly sized cartridge.
• DE is most expensive, sand is next and cartridge filters are cheapest. The cost difference can be significant.
• DE is outlawed in some municipalities because it can cause plugging and other damage to sewerage treatment plants.
• All need to have their media replaced over time.
• There have been big advances in DE and cartridge filters in recent years that address the DE loss issue and paper filters are now made of polymers that last a long time (3 seasons or more).
• Cartridges need to be cleaned by removing and spraying off. This is a little more work than back-washing but takes only 20 minutes or so and is only needed once or twice per season for properly sized units. Cartridge cleaning uses way less water than back-washing.

There you have it. The pro's and con's as unbiased as I can get. You can find experts that will tell you each one is best. When that happens I take it to mean they all work well enough. All you need to do is make the choice that's best for you.

I hope this helps.

Chris

 

[PAGirl]

I have this same filter. (Intex 3000 GPh) It keeps my pool (same size as yours) amazingly clear. It runs a vacuum with no problems. The price is great, too. I don't have to run the pump more than 6 hours to keep the pool sparkling.

 

[domct203]

Gussie,

As KimKats mentioned above there are LOTs of discussions about the different types of filters on this site. You can find them by searching. There are also some very strong beliefs that each one is best. So this sort of depends on who you ask. I'll try to summarize in an unbiased way:

• There are 3 types sand, DE, cartridge
• All three work and are used in pools successfully
• Sand is the oldest and so it's probably the most common
• DE and Sand consume more energy because of the complicated piping but the increased amount of energy consumed is probably not that significant to your electric bill
• DE and Sand require back flushing that consumes a lot of water. If you are in the lower tier of your water bill costs or water is cheap in your area this probably isn't a big deal unless you care a lot about environmental issues
• DE and cartridges can remove particles down to a couple of microns and generally DE is accepted as the best. This is way better than sand performance which traps particles down to 20-40 microns. But the truth is that pools don't need better than 20-40 micron filtration to look great.
• DE and sand need require more maintenance (mostly back-flushing) than a properly sized cartridge.
• DE is most expensive, sand is next and cartridge filters are cheapest. The cost difference can be significant.
• DE is outlawed in some municipalities because it can cause plugging and other damage to sewerage treatment plants.
  [*]All need to have their media replaced over time.
• There have been big advances in DE and cartridge filters in recent years that address the DE loss issue and paper filters are now made of polymers that last a long time (3 seasons or more).
• Cartridges need to be cleaned by removing and spraying off. This is a little more work than back-washing but takes only 20 minutes or so and is only needed once or twice per season for properly sized units. Cartridge cleaning uses way less water than back-washing.

There you have it. The pro's and con's as unbiased as I can get. You can find experts that will tell you each one is best. When that happens I take it to mean they all work well enough. All you need to do is make the choice that's best for you.

I hope this helps.

Chris

With a properly maintained pool, the sand in a sand filter should never need replacing. Sand has been on this planet for millions of years, it will not wear out in sand filter use over the lifetime of the pool.

If you regularly deep clean your sand filter at the end of each swim season (or once a year if you do not close), and avoid sand clumping potions like flocculants and clarifiers, the sand will remain just fine.

 

[lightmaster]

A downside to sand, and why I don't use one, is that they require backwashing which means pumping out 200 or so gallons of water out of your pool. I use well water that is high in iron, so I definitely don't want add anymore water to my pool than I absolutely have to cuz I don't want to have to deal with removing iron again. On the other hand, all this darn heat and no rain over the last few days, probably gonna have to top it up anyway.

 

[lightmaster]

Anyone know if this work on my pool? My pool is twice the gallons

Manufacturer says it will turnover 24k gallons in 8 hours, so it should work good on your pool.

 

[LFrankow]

setsailsoon paraphrased this article from Pool School rather nicely.
Pool School - Pool Filter Comparison

 

[domct203]

A downside to sand, and why I don't use one, is that they require backwashing which means pumping out 200 or so gallons of water out of your pool. I use well water that is high in iron, so I definitely don't want add anymore water to my pool than I absolutely have to cuz I don't want to have to deal with removing iron again. On the other hand, all this darn heat and no rain over the last few days, probably gonna have to top it up anyway.

Very good point.

I use skimmer socks (disposable hair nets actually) on my skimmer basket & inline vacuum canister for this reason. By catching most of the debris before it gets to the filter (and having a large enough filter) I don't need to backwash that often. I think I've only backwashed 2 or 3 times since opening in April.

 

[PAGirl]

While that may be true in a desert area or a drought area, generally if your pool is well-maintained you only need to backwash once a month or so and water loss is not an issue. The only time I had to and water do to backwashing was during a slam. I tend to coordinate my back washing with rainfall.

 

[gussie1966]

Thanks everyone for all the information!

 

[setsailsoon]

setsailsoon paraphrased this article from Pool School rather nicely.
Pool School - Pool Filter Comparison

Lou, thanks for the nice complement. I wanted to help this fairly new member avoid the onslaught of very well-intended albeit biased comments for this newbie post. Looks like it was somewhat successful.

Thanks everybody.

Chris