This has now been a month long scavenger hunt to multiple pool stores and I'm still not 100% sure what the issue is.

We have a 6 month old salt plaster pool (details in signature) and everything was great for a few months. We could keep the SWG down to around 18% and the chlorine levels stayed stable (it's a small pool), until about a month ago when I noticed it seemed like chlorine levels were dipping. I took the cell apart (t9) thinking it must be covered in deposits, and there was minor scaling but really not bad at all compared to some photos of other cells I've seen. I was surprised because this part of Florida has pretty hard water, the hardness test strips are showing around 450... Anyways, I clean it and put it back in expecting my problem to be solved... I was wrong. I still couldn't get any chlorine reading. At this point I tried switching from AUTO to SUPER and tested the chlorine at the end of the day, at this point it read very little but at least detectable, but when kept on AUTO, at as high as 70%, it is not producing anything detectable and it's only a small pool (~8500g). Voltage reading was 27.6 when generating. Amps read 4.5. There were no error lights that have ever turned on for me to chase down. The cell is clean, it says generating, but clearly it isn't?

So then I brought a water sample to the pool store (results attached), they said my salt was low (2448). This is when I realized that the SWG reading was inaccurate to the upside by ~400ppm. The store manager said yup this is your issue, add this bag and you should be back in business. I added a whole bag and then confirmed that salt level was 3400 via test strip. I also noticed, even though the pool store manager didn't say anything about it, that my stabilizer level was in the low 50's and everything I've read says that salt pools need higher CYA levels so I added a whole container of dry stabilizer also thinking that HAS to solve the issue, stabilizer now reads around 70-75. A couple days later, I am STILL having this issue!!??? I keep having to add liquid chlorine to my pool and it's gone within a day and a half (not sure if that's normal or not). The one thing I just noticed today.... it gets a little better when I run the pump at a higher speed. When the pool was first set up the maxflo vs500 was running at like 2750rpm all day. One thing I'm thinking about now is that about a month ago I reprogrammed it to run for an hour @ 2250 and then for 8 hours @ 1750rpm. I'm thinking it's got to be more than a coincidence that this problem started around the same general time that I lowered the pump speed??

But why?? I've heard of people running salt water systems at waayyy lower speeds and not having trouble generating chlorine. Is it possible that the hayward aquarite 900 really just requires that high of a flow rate to generate chlorine in my setup? Why would that be? The other thing is, even at low speeds I can plainly see chlorine gas bubbles coming from the return, but when I measure at that spot I get no reading. I'm experimenting today with higher pump speed to see if that does help.

What gives? Does anybody have any idea what is going on??

PS... When I put liquid chlorine in the pool and measure later on, there isn't really any gap between free and total chlorine levels, and water looks clear, so I don't believe it's a chlorine demand issue.
 

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If those test results are to be believed (we don't give any credence to PS results as they prove inaccurate), your FC to well below minimum based on the reported CYA level.
FC/CYA Levels

You may have a nascent algae bloom. Suggest an OCLT (but you need one of the recommended test kits to perform it.
Overnight Chlorine Loss Test

Suggest you read thru
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Welcome to TFP! :wave:

How are you testing your pool water?
Test Kits Compared

If those test results are to be believed (we don't give any credence to PS results as they prove inaccurate), your FC to well below minimum based on the reported CYA level.
FC/CYA Levels

You may have a nascent algae bloom. Suggest an OCLT (but you need one of the recommended test kits to perform it.
Overnight Chlorine Loss Test

Suggest you read thru
Pool Care Basics
I have a drop test for chlorine, FC, ph and alkalinity. I also have strip tests for the same plus salinity, hardness and stabilizer.

I considered that it could be because of high chlorine demand but the water is clear and does not show difference between free and total chlorine levels.
 

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  • Report all readings when you..
    • Move the switch from auto to off and check all of the readings.
    • Move the switch back to auto and recheck the readings.
    • Move the switch to off for a minute and then back to auto and recheck the readings.
  • Move the switch from auto to off and check all of the readings.
  • 85, 31.9, 0, 54p, -0, AL-0, r 1.59, t-9
  • Move the switch back to auto and recheck the readings.
  • 85, 26.8, 5.56, 54p, -3600, AL-0, r 1.59, t-9
  • Move the switch to off for a minute and then back to auto and recheck the readings.
  • 85, 26.8, 5.66, 53p, -3600, AL-0, r 1.59, t-9
Just tested salinity reading at 3480, ph at 7.3, total alkalinity ~80, total hardness between 400-500
 
The one thing I just noticed today.... it gets a little better when I run the pump at a higher speed.
Clean the filter.

Consider a proper test kit. We cannot help with chemistry issues when you cannot test your own water with a proper test kit.
 
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Clean the filter.

Consider a proper test kit. We cannot help with chemistry issues when you cannot test your own water with a proper test kit.
The filter is cleaned once a week, there is a cage around the pool so the water stays fairly clean.
I bought the drop kit that was recommended by the pool company that initially set up the pool. What exactly do you consider a proper test kit?

It is working exactly like it is supposed to work and it is producing the correct amount of chlorine.
So any idea why all of a sudden I can't keep the levels up?
 
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Michael,

You simple have algae, even though you can't see it yet... The cell's output is just enough to keep it at bay..

As a test, add 90 oz. of 10% Liquid Chlorine to your pool. This will increase your FC to about 8 ppm. Turn off your SWCG... Wait a couple of hours and test and see what you have, and then test in the morning.. Most likely it will all be gone.

You need to do what we call a SLAM..
SLAM Process


As a side note.. If you have to clean your filter once a week.. Something is not right... :scratch:

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
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Michael,

You simple have algae, even though you can't see it yet... The cell's output is just enough to keep it at bay..

As a test, add 90 oz. of 10% Liquid Chlorine to your pool. This will increase your FC to about 8 ppm. Turn off your SWCG... Wait a couple of hours and test and see what you have, and then test in the morning.. Most likely it will all be gone.

You need to do what we call a SLAM..
SLAM Process


As a side note.. If you have to clean your filter once a week.. Something is not right... :scratch:

Thanks,

Jim R.
Interesting. I just added the liquid chlorine now.

In the case of an algae bloom, wouldn't I be seeing a big difference between FC and total chlorine? I never see that which is why I didn't think it was because of chlorine demand.
 

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In the case of an algae bloom, wouldn't I be seeing a big difference between FC and total chlorine?
Michael,

When you have algae, you usually have higher CC, but not always.

Only two things consume chlorine. Sunlight and algae.

Higher CYA prevents the sun from quickly consuming a lot of FC. Assuming that your CYA is actually 50 or so, that should be enough this time of year. What does that leave you? Algae.

That is why we have a test called... Overnight Chlorine Loss Test (OCLT). The basic idea is to accurately measure your FC after dark, and then again in the morning before sun-up. If a lot of FC is gone it wasn't the sun, so that means algae. Overnight Chlorine Loss Test

You should take a good read through our Pool School and see what we are all about.

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
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Your chlorine might be very high and bleaching out the liquid dpd test.

Does the test sample start out dark and get lighter?

Try FASDPD or OTO to see if the chlorine is actually high.
 
Even the pool store can tell the difference in an FC of 20 and an FC of .23.. :mrgreen:
Not necessarily.

I have zero confidence in the pool store reading. (Actually, it's less than zero).

It's probably not a high chlorine issue, but I would check to be sure.

Maybe dilute the sample with distilled water 50/50 and retest.
 
Update..
I took the filter out and there was a uniform light brown coating that was not dirt!
Now im thinking back a week ago when I brushed the pool, I remember stiring up the same very faint brown color at the bottom but at the time I just thought it was dirt. Its crazy because the rest of the water is crystal clear. Its only on the bottom and you can only barely see it when you stir up the bottom.

Is this the dreaded mustard algae?
 

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