Pp newbie looking for help

[Aramor]

I think there has been a misunderstanding. I Never run my cleaner when in spa mode, just pool mode.
after cleaning my filters my pump was running to 1500 , 24/7, for 4 days, and water was circulating perfectly in pool and spa (pool and spa same body), but last night when cleaner was running my pump lost pressure, and no water circulating in spa.(spa has 2 returning jets that make water circulates when pump is running).

 

[PoolStored]

my pump lost pressure,

Explain exactly what you saw, heard or observed that makes you conclude the "pump lost pressure." If you mean the gauge on the filter, what was the pressure, before and after.

 

[ajw22]

The cleaner steals flow from the return and when your cleaner is on the spa line is last in the return line and gets the leftover water flow.

 

[ajw22]

Increase your cleaner RPM to 2750 so the filter pump is flowing more water to the returns.

Even up your cleaner RPM higher and then once you see a good flow to the spa when the cleaner is on you can try reducing the RPMs until you find the best setting for you.

 

[Aramor]

I read that standar speed is the first speed in the list, the second one corresponding to the spa and the third one to cleaner. So my pump will run to 1500, but if I turn my cleaner on, bc its speed is higher, pump and cleaner will run to the highest speed , in my case 2000. However, the pressure was lower instead higher.
I don’t know if i explained correctly.
Sorry if sometimes I express myself badly, but how I said in my first message I am from Spain and I still learning English.
Thank you!!!

 

[Aramor]

Increase your cleaner RPM to 2750 so the filter pump is flowing more water to the returns.

Even up your cleaner RPM higher and then once you see a good flow to the spa when the cleaner is on you can try reducing the RPMs until you find the best setting for you.

I’ll do it.

 

[ajw22]

Here is why your spa loses flow …

The pool return flow follows the green arrow.

The spa flow in POOL mode follows the blue arrow.

Note that the spa flow needs enough water pressure to push it up and over that loop.

If the pool return flow is low all the water flows down the green pipe and there is not enough pressure to push water up and over into the spa pipe.

That loop is a design flaw caused by the plumber placing the pool and spa pipes too close together. He could not get two valves in a straight flow so he fixed it with that loop that is causing the problems.

 

[Aramor]

Now I understand. Then I need run the pump higher speed to get enough flow to impulse water through the loop, or open a little bit the spa valve to give more flow to the spa.
Sounds like I am not gonna take advance of the variable speed pump vantages and I will need to schedule the pump less hours to higher speed , right?
Thank a lot for your dedication ,

 

[HermanTX]

I read that standar speed is the first speed in the list, the second one corresponding to the spa and the third one to cleaner. So my pump will run to 1500, but if I turn my cleaner on, bc its speed is higher, pump and cleaner will run to the highest speed , in my case 2000. However, the pressure was lower instead higher.

I was reading through all the discussion and agree that the Cleaner speed on your pump needs to be set higher. Mine is set at 2750rpm whereas my normal pump speed is set at 1550rpm. I have very similar set up as yours because I have a dedicated return line to the spa when in Pool mode. The higher RPM of the main VS pump plus the booster pump is what makes the cleaner run better. In the summer my booster pump is only run couple times a week.
I have AquaLink as well and there are no issues with this configuration of speed settings.

 

[Aramor]

Yesterday I run my cleaner to 2750 and my pump to 1550 and it happened the same, water circulating in spa stopped. So idk what to do.
Question, boost pump is another pump? Sorry for the ignorance, nobody ((technician, builder) explain to me how the pools work.
do I have a booster pump?

 

[ajw22]

What is the problem with the spa water stopping when the cleaner is running?

 

[Aramor]

When cleaner is done pump doesn’t recuperate it’s flow, so no more water circulating in spa

 

[HermanTX]

@Aramor
To clarify - the booster pump is shown in this photo on the left side. It only turns on when you activate the Cleaner function. It runs inconjunction with the main filter pump which is the one to the right side.

The BLUE line is the suction line to the Booster pump. It gets its water supply by connecting to the return line for the pool. The connection is underground but that is how it is set up. The output line is the YELLOW line. It goes directly to the pool and exits where the cleaner hose connects to the wall fitting. The Cleaner system only works when the system is in Pool Mode - suction from the pool skimmer/main drain and return to the pool wall returns.

Now in your system, there may be a return to the spa even when in Pool Mode. The flow to that line will be reduced because the Booster pump is taking some of that flow.

 

[Aramor]

Understood .When the cleaner is finished, boost pump is stooped, and supposedly everything back to normal, it should recover the regular flow but it doesn’t, is it bc the filter pump’ speed is too low to impulse water through the loop after cleaner was working?
So, should I schedule a new speed for filter pump when cleaner is working?
So, just a couple of times per week are enough for cleaner to working ?

 

[HermanTX]

Understood .When the cleaner is finished, boost pump is stooped, and supposedly everything back to normal, it should recover the regular flow but it doesn’t, is it bc the filter pump’ speed is too low to impulse water through the loop after cleaner was working?
So, should I schedule a new speed for filter pump when cleaner is working?
So, just a couple of times per week are enough for cleaner to working ?

So it the real question - do you want your spa water to overflow to the pool constantly?
If so - then you need to have the pump speed for normal pool operation set high enough to push the water around the loop. If you do not want the spa to constantly overflow, then the normal pump would be low, as you have it now, then for a certain part of the time, for example 3 hrs, schedule the pump to increase the speed to allow water to be pushed around the loop and flow into the spa thereby causing spa to overflow to the pool.

You would run your cleaner based on how dirty the pool gets. Mine in summer only requires a couple hours but your pool may require more often. You can change that based on need or just run the cleaner manually when needed.

 

[ajw22]

When cleaner is done pump doesn’t recuperate it’s flow, so no more water circulating in spa

Increase your POOL speed to 2750 and see if the spa gets flow when the cleaner turns off.

If it does then work your way lowering the POOL speed until you find the point where it no longer restores the pool flow.

I think you are dealing with a siphoning effect and once all the water is flowing down the pool return pipe it is harder to get the flow to split and go up the spa loop.

 

[Aramor]

So it the real question - do you want your spa water to overflow to the pool constantly?
If so - then you need to have the pump speed for normal pool operation set high enough to push the water around the loop. If you do not want the spa to constantly overflow, then the normal pump would be low, as you have it now, then for a certain part of the time, for example 3 hrs, schedule the pump to increase the speed to allow water to be pushed around the loop and flow into the spa thereby causing spa to overflow to the pool.

You would run your cleaner based on how dirty the pool gets. Mine in summer only requires a couple hours but your pool may require more often. You can change that based on need or just run the cleaner manually when needed.

I’ll do it if the app let me do it. I was finding out how to set the speeds up and schedule, and bc i didn’t save changes, now I can access. A error give to me
I already sign out but nothing.

 

[HermanTX]

I’ll do it if the app let me do it. I was finding out how to set the speeds up and schedule, and bc i didn’t save changes, now I can access. A error give to me
I already sign out but nothing.

Sign in from your desktop or laptop computer. It is easier.

 

[Aramor]

Thanks. I had to reset everything, but now looks like it’s working.
Bc of how pipes are configured I can’t run my pump lower to 1500 or even more, it would be necessary rum my pump for 24 hours, or it would be better run the pump for 14 hours, 11 of them to speed 1500 and the left 3 to speed 2750 to push the water around the loop and up the percent of the cell from 30% to 60%.
Which option do you think is better?
And which one would make me save energy?

 

[ajw22]

Thanks. I had to reset everything, but now looks like it’s working.
Bc of how pipes are configured I can’t run my pump lower to 1500 or even more, it would be necessary rum my pump for 24 hours, or it would be better run the pump for 14 hours, 11 of them to speed 1500 and the left 3 to speed 2750 to push the water around the loop and up the percent of the cell from 30% to 60%.
Which option do you think is better?
And which one would make me save energy?

I would run your pump at 1500 24/7 and schedule two times a day when the pump speed increases to 2750 for 20 minutes to refresh your spa water. That can be around 9AM and around 2PM.

There is an alternate way to refresh your spa water using SPILLOVER mode and forget about that pipe loop to your spa on the return side.