Northlake, TX New Pool Build

Your batting 1000 in my book...yes I have a riding mower and as far as what goes in the rock area...well...thats a surprise :) Tif grass is normal grass and nothing special, another form of Bermuda...sorry.

Well, that shows you what I know about golf courses. You said 'fairway'. I didn't know there were different grasses on golf courses! I thought you were getting the very fine grass I call 'golf course' grass. (my goodness, but we learn so much from TFP! Lol!!!) Bermuda is definitely a good sturdy grass. (Suz: hatchoo!! "Why is it dark out?" as my eyes are swelling shut!!)

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Well, the good thing if I come to visit..... I won't have to do the mowing!!!
 
No you won't...all visitors at my house get to relax eat and drink thats the rules! Help with dishes is a good thing though and makes my wife feel appreciated...
 
You are correct pooldv but I got tired of waiting and PB gave me the ok. Trust me I took what you said into account and I looked for it at 3 places...it won't be very often I go against your welcomed wisdom! :)

Ha! No worries, its all good and just a little money in the scheme of things. :)
 
New Test Results
FC 7.5
pH 7.5
TA 70
CH 250
CYA 40
CSI -0.20
Temp 93

Yesterday I added CC to get my CH up and that worked just fine. Previous CH was 175-200 but mostly at 175. I will add more this evening to push up to 300 unless told different. Also I noticed that raising my CH I get more pool dust when brushing and not sure if this is normal or if I should have had my CH up higher the whole time.

My TA dropped fro 70 to 60 after adding the CC but perhaps this was to be expected so I added baking soda this morning and got back to 70. I want to push this number up to 80 unless told different.

My pH always likes to hang out at 7.8 and I add MA to push it down to 7.2 knowing it will get back up since I run water features often (girls tell me they are broken if I don't turn them on). Doing this I seem to hit my target of 7.5 fairly constantly at swim time (about 6-7pm daily).

My FC always falls and according to my logs (limited thus far) I have to add about 100-120oz around noon and then another 80-100 oz at night. This gets me close to my now accepted target of 7. I flirted with an FC of 10 for a few days then 9 and then 8 and I think I like the 7. Besides 7 is a good number, just google "what does the number 7 represent". I knew some of you would be wondering how I came up with the number so when you google there is my official answer :)
On the serious side I'm not attached to any number and welcome more input.

The question for me becomes...when I turn on the SWG will all this change and what should I expect? My PB is going on vacation and he asked if I wanted to turn SWG on tomorrow or wait for his return on Aug 4. I think we should wait so what say y'all ??

Thanks and have a great day TFP...
 
SWG-If you want to turn it on now we can walk you through anything you need BUT if you feel more comfortable waiting that is not big deal. Just know you will have to add chlorine until then.

CYA-lets push this up to 50 and see if that helps hold your FC in your TX heat! Just remember you will need to adjust your FC to match the FC/CYA chart.

Have more CYA on hand for when you do turn on your SWG as we say 70 or so when you have a SWG.

Kim:kim:
 
Hi Cliff!

CH: 250 is good. (target range is 250-350). Since you just raised it, let it sit at 250 for a couple of days. See if the CH results change any, and see what happens with your other chem levels. If all is good, then push it up to 300. When you switch over to the salt system, the CH level will change upward. See the charts for the new ranges.

TA: I would leave the TA alone. 70 is in your range for a bleach, plaster pool. When you switch to the salt system, that range changes to 60-80. So 70 is still good. Your pH might become more unstable if you push the TA higher.

I don't know if this thread will help or confuse (see post #7). It helps me to better understand TA and pH. (I don't get all of the chemistry stuff). If the explanation doesn't help, save it for later. You might be interested later.
TA, PH and muriatic acid playing together

pH: Is there a question in this paragraph of post #367. Cliff's quote: "My pH always likes to hang out at 7.8" Does it try to go higher? This may be your pool's happy place. Or does it stop at 7.8 because that's the point you're adding MA?

FC: Why do you like the level 7 for your FC (besides google says 7 is a good #? Lol!!) I keep asking how the girl's skin is doing. I've either missed your answer, or you haven't answered. Does the 7 have anything to do with that? A higher FC level gives you more 'fall space' to hit the minimum. Then again, I don't know if a higher FC is the way to go on such new plaster.

SWG: What will happen when you switch over to the salt system? Birds will sing, flowers will pop up and wave to you, and sweet flute melodies will hum in your head!! Lol!!! Another words, I'm not sure what you mean? (I haven't had my old lady nap yet which could be my problem!)

Today, you are on day 17 of your pool being filled. That's not even the 21 days your PB was originally pushing. I'd much rather see you wait until your PB returns the beginning of August.

When you do switch, most of the chem level ranges will change. So keep your charts handy. For me, I had a new learning curve with the start up of the swg, but it was pretty simple. No nerve-racking worries over hurting the plaster. The first 30 days kind of was my internship of water maintenance. It gave me a good foundation of water chemistry (of course, I'm still learning), and allowed me to focus on that instead of having to learn about the swg system at the same time as the basic chemistry. That worked well for me. Again, the ranges change. You get a break from adding so much bleach so often. But you will still add some bleach from time to time. Remind us and we will help you make those decisions when they come up.

What will you need to do and learn?
** decide on an FC level you want to shoot for. That also depends on your CYA you shoot for.
** How much chlorine is produced by the salt water generator is a combination of the % of the salt cell and the number of hours you run the pumps.
** Someone familiar with the SWG T Cell-15 Plus will help you choose a % to set for your salt cell. (sorry, I have Jandy, and I don't know their differences or similarities yet)
** That person will also help you determine the # of hours to run your pumps.
** The cell only works when the pump is running. So if you set your cell for 50%, it will only produce salt half the time the main pump is running. If that doesn't get your target FC, then you need to adjust either salt cell % or pump run time OR both.
** The more you run your pump, the more electricity costs you incur. The higher % you set your salt cell, the shorter the life of the cell. These are pretty minute unless your electricity is very expensive. In that case, your focus might be more on pump run time.
** Right now in July, I run my pump about 9 hours a day with my cell at 75%. The first year, I had to have higher pump hours on and higher cell %. I can't tell you why.
** There are many factors involved in your FC requirement the same you experienced before the swg system is on: weather, swimmer load and frequency, water temperature, organic debris in the pool, etc
** I had to learn to be flexible and be willing to make frequent adjustments in the very beginning.
** For me, most of my adjustments this past year occur when seasons change causing continual rises or drops in water temperature.

That's all I can think of now. I will or someone else will add more later if I left something out.

I promise you will love having the salt cell once you get into the swing of it.

Suz
 
Kim - we are going to wait until August for the SWG. I have a sock in the skimmer right now to increase the CYA to 50 and I have enough on hand (I think) for when we do turn on the SWG. Appreciate the feedback...
 

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Kim - we are going to wait until August for the SWG. I have a sock in the skimmer right now to increase the CYA to 50 and I have enough on hand (I think) for when we do turn on the SWG. Appreciate the feedback...

i would wait till he gets back from vacation. i would rather be way safe than sorry.

sock in skimmer. . . did you see my cya setup? :) I was told it couldn't touch the plaster while in the sock so I got creative.

jim
 
Great stuff Suz...I swear I thought I mentioned the girls feet/skin but I do forget things easy these days...sorry. I do my best to keep the FC between 7-8 by adding bleach twice a day. This along with keeping the pH down seems to be more palatable for the girls. Could also be they are getting use to being in water more. I also notice there skin is not near as itchy as they call it.

As far as pH goes it tends to creep up to 7.8 and I reduce it about every other day with MA. So my target is always 7.5 for pH.

Back to the choice on FC of 7...when I ran it at 9 or 10 everything just seemed harsher and you could smell the chlorine which none of us like. Backing down to 7/8 everything feels smother. Hope this makes since... Plus an FC of 7 works well with the CYA chart number of 40 (my current number) and with 50 (which is what I'm raising it to now.

I have a phone reminder set to come back to this post (#369) for when the SWG goes in. Thanks so much for the effort on this reply!

Hi Cliff!

CH: 250 is good. (target range is 250-350). Since you just raised it, let it sit at 250 for a couple of days. See if the CH results change any, and see what happens with your other chem levels. If all is good, then push it up to 300. When you switch over to the salt system, the CH level will change upward. See the charts for the new ranges.

TA: I would leave the TA alone. 70 is in your range for a bleach, plaster pool. When you switch to the salt system, that range changes to 60-80. So 70 is still good. Your pH might become more unstable if you push the TA higher.

I don't know if this thread will help or confuse (see post #7). It helps me to better understand TA and pH. (I don't get all of the chemistry stuff). If the explanation doesn't help, save it for later. You might be interested later.
TA, PH and muriatic acid playing together

pH: Is there a question in this paragraph of post #367. Cliff's quote: "My pH always likes to hang out at 7.8" Does it try to go higher? This may be your pool's happy place. Or does it stop at 7.8 because that's the point you're adding MA?

FC: Why do you like the level 7 for your FC (besides google says 7 is a good #? Lol!!) I keep asking how the girl's skin is doing. I've either missed your answer, or you haven't answered. Does the 7 have anything to do with that? A higher FC level gives you more 'fall space' to hit the minimum. Then again, I don't know if a higher FC is the way to go on such new plaster.

SWG: What will happen when you switch over to the salt system? Birds will sing, flowers will pop up and wave to you, and sweet flute melodies will hum in your head!! Lol!!! Another words, I'm not sure what you mean? (I haven't had my old lady nap yet which could be my problem!)

Today, you are on day 17 of your pool being filled. That's not even the 21 days your PB was originally pushing. I'd much rather see you wait until your PB returns the beginning of August.

When you do switch, most of the chem level ranges will change. So keep your charts handy. For me, I had a new learning curve with the start up of the swg, but it was pretty simple. No nerve-racking worries over hurting the plaster. The first 30 days kind of was my internship of water maintenance. It gave me a good foundation of water chemistry (of course, I'm still learning), and allowed me to focus on that instead of having to learn about the swg system at the same time as the basic chemistry. That worked well for me. Again, the ranges change. You get a break from adding so much bleach so often. But you will still add some bleach from time to time. Remind us and we will help you make those decisions when they come up.

What will you need to do and learn?
** decide on an FC level you want to shoot for. That also depends on your CYA you shoot for.
** How much chlorine is produced by the salt water generator is a combination of the % of the salt cell and the number of hours you run the pumps.
** Someone familiar with the SWG T Cell-15 Plus will help you choose a % to set for your salt cell. (sorry, I have Jandy, and I don't know their differences or similarities yet)
** That person will also help you determine the # of hours to run your pumps.
** The cell only works when the pump is running. So if you set your cell for 50%, it will only produce salt half the time the main pump is running. If that doesn't get your target FC, then you need to adjust either salt cell % or pump run time OR both.
** The more you run your pump, the more electricity costs you incur. The higher % you set your salt cell, the shorter the life of the cell. These are pretty minute unless your electricity is very expensive. In that case, your focus might be more on pump run time.
** Right now in July, I run my pump about 9 hours a day with my cell at 75%. The first year, I had to have higher pump hours on and higher cell %. I can't tell you why.
** There are many factors involved in your FC requirement the same you experienced before the swg system is on: weather, swimmer load and frequency, water temperature, organic debris in the pool, etc
** I had to learn to be flexible and be willing to make frequent adjustments in the very beginning.
** For me, most of my adjustments this past year occur when seasons change causing continual rises or drops in water temperature.

That's all I can think of now. I will or someone else will add more later if I left something out.

I promise you will love having the salt cell once you get into the swing of it.

Suz
 
Yes Jimim...its awesome and I even gave thought as to how I could top that but....the wife did not like me hanging her cat upside down :cool:
don't worry animal lovers I wasn't going to hurt the cat for which I have a strong love hate relationship....
 
Hello all...it has been a couple of days since posting. Here is what I have done:
- increased CYA from 40 to 50
- increased CH from 175/200 to 300
- I only have to add bleach once per day (in the evening) 1 gallon
- pH always creeps up to 7.8 probably due to running scuppers at swim time and after adding bleach but I add MA around noon to bring it down to 7.2/7.5

Here are the numbers:

FC 8.5
CC 0
pH 7.8
TA 70
CH 300
CYA 50
CSI 0.11
Temp 89

I have enough DP powder for one more morning test tomorrow but I have more on order and should be here by Saturday. I will monitor pH daily and start full test when supplies arrive and post then...
 
Wow...thanks Kim! Water is clear (makes me proud) and the girls truly love the pool but as with everything else its best to take a days break every now and then...

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Question of the day how do I test FC without R-0870 DPD powder since I am out and not sure when I will get my order (processed on 18th)?
 
Use the yellow-top reagent in the blue box that holds the pH reagent. You'll use the yellow side of the fill block. The directions are on the back of the plastic card (half sheet size) with all the other testing directions.

You read the numbers on the left side of the block by the yellow under CL (not br).
It's not as exact as the DPD powder test, but it will keep you out of trouble.

Shout out if you have a question!
 
Well thanks Suz...I thought that may be the case and was wondering what folks do when they run out of powder....
 
Good morning here is the ctrav daily report:
FC 10
pH 8.5
TA 90
CH 300
CYA 50
CSI 0.93
Temp 87

I added my normal 1 gallon of bleach as normal and it looks like I don't need to add as much so I will cut back to 3/4 gallon and monitor. My pH spiked probably due to running scuppers so I added MA to bring it down to 7.0 and I will aerate the water later to raise it back up and monitor. Overall I like where things are headed unless someone sees something different. As always thanks for the feedback.

FYI - they started laying the sod this morning and I will post new pics on Sunday!
 

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