New Pool Plan - Tampa, Florida

Jimrahbe

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I cant imagine having to clean cartridges inside my equipment room and getting it all wet.
Felipe,

The cartridges come out and are cleaned outside any equipment room or shed, like I have..

That said, it makes the most sense to me, that the pool owner use whatever filter works best for them, and their pool. Sounds like your sand filter is what works best for you..

Thanks for your input,

Jim R.
 

sourabhdeb

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Mar 16, 2020
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Tampa, FL
Amidst all the quarantine, another quote came in yesterday from a fiberglass manufacturer - Blue Hawaiian. I was surprised to see they were significantly less than the Gunite quote we received earlier. With a bigger pool (16 X 20) and a larger spa (10 X 8) they were priced at $76k with all the other paver and pool cage work included. So almost $14K less than the Gunite quote. If I remove the spa then the pool along with the pavers and cage will be around $63K. So now I am wondering 2 things -
1. Is fiberglass generally cheaper than Gunite? They have their manuf. plant within 15 miles of my house so maybe they are saving on transportation costs. The company looks to have lots of experience in fiberglass pools. They have been bought over by Latham but still sell under the Blue Hawaiian brand. None of my neighbors have installed a fiberglass pool but the rep. said they have close to 30K installations in FL
2. Should I just lose the spa and get a standalone one? I know they offer great features and easy to heat/operate but I can't get over the look of them jutting out of the patio 3'-4' from the base. Placement will be key as we don't want to lose the water view.
 

kimkats

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The INSTALLER is the key for fiberglass!!! They have to have some mad skills and know what to do! Ask how many their installer has installed AND ask for references!!!
 

setsailsoon

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Is fiberglass generally cheaper than Gunite? They have their manuf. plant within 15 miles of my house so maybe they are saving on transportation costs. The company looks to have lots of experience in fiberglass pools. They have been bought over by Latham but still sell under the Blue Hawaiian brand. None of my neighbors have installed a fiberglass pool but the rep. said they have close to 30K installations in FL
2. Should I just lose the spa and get a standalone one? I know they offer great features and easy to heat/operate but I can't get over the look of them jutting out of the patio 3'-4' from the base. Placement will be key as we don't want to lose the water view.
When was the buyout? How many pools since the buyout? This can be an issue if key people leave and your pool is next. If the factory is 15 miles away visit it and see if you can get any indications of issues with the key people on the floor. Ask how long key people have been there.

Spa answer is dependent on your preferences. Many people get a spa and rarely ever use it. We use ours a couple times per week but we swim a lot. We were in ours last night and tonight we just swam a little over an hour. 8.5 Corona-safe ppm of FC!

Chris
 
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sourabhdeb

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Received one more quote from an installer of San Juan fiberglass pool. I have heard they are one of the oldest fiberglass manufacturers and make quality pools. The installer has good experience in dealing with fiberglass. So quoted with the Luxor model (44'7" x 15'11" rectangle; 3'8" on the shallow and 6'4" on the deep end). Its one of the largest models in their lineup (19K gallons). Priced it up with the Shellock paver decking and superscreen panaromic pool cage (to keep things same for comparison with other quotes). The PB uses Jandy equipment and after my suggestion upgraded the catridge filter to a larger one. He uses Nature 2 Fusion Soft as the SWG (1400 model) but it also has a mineral catridge. From the forums here i understand its the same as Jandy's Aquapure so not too concerned.
They will do 4 returns, 1 Skimmer and 2 bottom drains. Skimmer will be on the side of the pool toward the deep end. The returns will be along the side walls. 2 on one side spread out and 2 on the other side spread out the same.
The price doesn't include a hot tub. I think its best I get a separate portable hot tub since I have plenty of patio space. The PB drew up a possible location along with matching decking to go around it.
So overall this is ~$5K more than the concrete quote...I do get a larger pool 44*16 vs. 40*10. I however don't have a hot tub which I might spend another $5-6K. So I am spending almost $10K extra for a larger pool in fiberglass and a full blown portable hot tub.
Welcome any feedback that might sway my decision one way or the other. The COVID situation is helping me to buy time to evaluate all options!
 

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setsailsoon

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The PB uses Jandy equipment and after my suggestion upgraded the catridge filter to a larger one. He uses Nature 2 Fusion Soft as the SWG (1400 model) but it also has a mineral catridge. From the forums here i understand its the same as Jandy's Aquapure so not too concerned.
If you ever plan to do any DIY work on your equipment be aware Jandy will not warranty unless parts and installation are performed by a Jandy authorized rep. All the majors reduce it some, Jandy eliminates it. Good move on the cartridge size. With the Aquapure you're buying a salt swg that also includes an expensive mineral cartridge. We recommend you don't use the mineral cartridge. I'd ask the installer to quote with Pentair and/or Hayward equipment also. The automation quoted is very low end that's not easily expandable and has limited features. Especially with a separated spa this is workable but do be sure you get comparable automation quoted.
I hope this helps.

Chris
 

jtburf

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Jun 8, 2015
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Houston, TX
Received one more quote from an installer of San Juan fiberglass pool. I have heard they are one of the oldest fiberglass manufacturers and make quality pools. The installer has good experience in dealing with fiberglass. So quoted with the Luxor model (44'7" x 15'11" rectangle; 3'8" on the shallow and 6'4" on the deep end). Its one of the largest models in their lineup (19K gallons). Priced it up with the Shellock paver decking and superscreen panaromic pool cage (to keep things same for comparison with other quotes). The PB uses Jandy equipment and after my suggestion upgraded the catridge filter to a larger one. He uses Nature 2 Fusion Soft as the SWG (1400 model) but it also has a mineral catridge. From the forums here i understand its the same as Jandy's Aquapure so not too concerned.
They will do 4 returns, 1 Skimmer and 2 bottom drains. Skimmer will be on the side of the pool toward the deep end. The returns will be along the side walls. 2 on one side spread out and 2 on the other side spread out the same.
The price doesn't include a hot tub. I think its best I get a separate portable hot tub since I have plenty of patio space. The PB drew up a possible location along with matching decking to go around it.
So overall this is ~$5K more than the concrete quote...I do get a larger pool 44*16 vs. 40*10. I however don't have a hot tub which I might spend another $5-6K. So I am spending almost $10K extra for a larger pool in fiberglass and a full blown portable hot tub.
Welcome any feedback that might sway my decision one way or the other. The COVID situation is helping me to buy time to evaluate all options!
Well my .02 is worth just that .02, in 21 days (estimated) your fiberglass pool should be up and running. We love ours, I use the hot tub constantly. ( 2 spinal fusions and knee replacement) so built in has advantages, stand along has it's beni's. For us no way was I going to have a pool crew in my yard for 12-14 weeks for the same product in the end.
Your money, your time, however you never read a fiberglass pool thread when posters are up in arms over finish, crews not showing for X or Y. 6 months later, lawyer letters ETC. Read all the threads you can find on both Fiberglass and Gunnite...

John
 

sourabhdeb

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Mar 16, 2020
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Tampa, FL
Well my .02 is worth just that .02, in 21 days (estimated) your fiberglass pool should be up and running. We love ours, I use the hot tub constantly. ( 2 spinal fusions and knee replacement) so built in has advantages, stand along has it's beni's. For us no way was I going to have a pool crew in my yard for 12-14 weeks for the same product in the end.
Your money, your time, however you never read a fiberglass pool thread when posters are up in arms over finish, crews not showing for X or Y. 6 months later, lawyer letters ETC. Read all the threads you can find on both Fiberglass and Gunnite...

John
Getting it installed in a shorter amount of time is definitely a big plus so that we can enjoy it this summer. My only worry is the backyard faces a lake. So during rain if the water table rises then the fiberglass pool might have a larger tendency to pop up. The PB has said that he would provide a sump out drain to pump the water out if needed but still the possibility exists.
 

sourabhdeb

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Mar 16, 2020
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Tampa, FL
If you ever plan to do any DIY work on your equipment be aware Jandy will not warranty unless parts and installation are performed by a Jandy authorized rep. All the majors reduce it some, Jandy eliminates it. Good move on the cartridge size. With the Aquapure you're buying a salt swg that also includes an expensive mineral cartridge. We recommend you don't use the mineral cartridge. I'd ask the installer to quote with Pentair and/or Hayward equipment also. The automation quoted is very low end that's not easily expandable and has limited features. Especially with a separated spa this is workable but do be sure you get comparable automation quoted.
I hope this helps.

Chris
I am not a DIY person but its still good to know that Jandy will not warranty. They are a Jandy shop but I will ask the rep if he can price with the other two brands too. Since the spa is separate, i was not keen on having a top of the line automation system. Just control the pump, SWG, heater and couple of lights should be enough.
 
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jtburf

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Houston, TX
Getting it installed in a shorter amount of time is definitely a big plus so that we can enjoy it this summer. My only worry is the backyard faces a lake. So during rain if the water table rises then the fiberglass pool might have a larger tendency to pop up. The PB has said that he would provide a sump out drain to pump the water out if needed but still the possibility exists.
All quality FG builder/installers put a sump pump in the deepest part of the dig. If your pool is full, it does not matter FG or Gunite the water table will equal out the pressure, empty pools pop out of the ground!!!

Does not matter Fiberglass or Gunite...

John
 

Farlened

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Apr 18, 2020
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Tampa, Fl
Hey All,
My first post here. Never owned a pool and just discovered TFP as I was researching on various things related to pool. I always used to think that pools are money pits (still hold that opinion sort of) and elitist and require lot of care and maintenance (translating to time and effort). Then family happened and we are blessed with 2 kids - 4 year old and almost 1 year old. We live in a newer neighborhood where lot of families have pools or are constructing one. The 4 year old goes to a swim school and has taken a liking to water. The house has appreciated well since we purchased and we have a large backyard with a pond view. The neighborhood pool is crowded or there is always an "accident" by some child so we never go there. So considering all this building a pool in our backyard seemed a reasonable thing to do since we are likely to stay put here for few years. I started jotting down our needs before we approach any PB.
- Should have a longish length to swim laps (the max the backyard can accommodate)
- Should have a decent size spa
- Should have a sunshelf for the kids to play
- Not interested in diving so keeping the deep end to 6'
- Will not employ any pool service company - so maintenance should be as minimal as possible - both the pool and deck
- Should be able to swim in the winter shoulder months - at a minimum use the spa
- Will need a pool cage and the current view should not be obstructed as much as possible
- Though we are in FL, we are not sun lovers. The backyard faces west, so anything to block sun would be great
- An outdoor toilet or privacy room for changing wet clothes - not a must but good to have
- All aspects of the pool should be controllable through phone/tablet remotely
- Need some space for entertaining guests around the pool.
With these needs in mind we approached couple of PBs that had good feedback and track record from our neighbors. I am attaching a quote and the drawing from one of them that we really liked.
I still don't completely understand all the nuances of the equipment they are providing but wanted to get the feedback from the community if this looks good or should I be asking for something to be replaced?
Also any other items that you all suggest that I need to keep in mind prior to the build.
I am going through the past threads to improve my knowledge in this area but I thought I would post my build here and get your feedback.
Thanks in advance!
Made 2 changes to the design - the shallow end is now 3'6'' instead of 3' (so 3 steps from the sunshelf instead of 2) and added an auto leveler for the water level to stay constant as we might be out for long periods of time. With those 2 updates the total came to 89K.


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Hi! We are starting to look into building a pool here in Tampa as well. Thanks for sharing your quote. What PB is that? (MOD NOTE-please share this info off the main board. Thank you!)
 
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