New Pool Need Guidance with chemicals

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sonup2000 said:
ok it was a mission but i was able to get to the light open it up scrub with sponge and everything was clean . all that came out was some dirt. At this point i have checked the light, skimmers and main drain i don't see any sign of live or dead algae. i think the water is clear as it could be. i think i just need to pass the OCLT test and i should be good.
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mknauss said:
Ahh -- great you had a picture. I did not see a screw at the top of the ring that holds the light in. Your signature shows Hayward Color Logic lights - which are nicheless.

That could be your culprit.
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i was thinking could a small leak cause CL loss? i am having issues with lot of bubbles in pump and return. they coming from suction side . waiting for PB to come by and take a look. i did the 24 hr bucket test but couldnt really tell if I lost water. basically it wasn't a drastic . when i move the valve over to main drain only no bubbles as soon as i move it over to skimmer crazzy bubbles. i am not sure if leak is only air leak from valves or leak in pipes somewhere, Pump has been running 24hrs a day. I checked my FC around 6.20 pm and it was 19.5 . just check again now (8pm) and its 19 I will check around 7 am to see how much LOSS.
 
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If you were losing hundreds of gallons an hour, maybe. But you would see that.

Sounds like you have a suction side leak. Typically the pump basket lid is not seated properly or the gasket has not been lubricated with pool lube.
 
mknauss said:
If you were losing hundreds of gallons an hour, maybe. But you would see that.

Sounds like you have a suction side leak. Typically the pump basket lid is not seated properly or the gasket has not been lubricated with pool lube.
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thanks i have checked the pump its suction side leak but its not the pump because when i move the 3 way valve to main drain only, pump is fine no bubbles. lets see what happens in morning , pump will be running all night on med speed.
 
Main drain requires more suction head. So that pulls the pump basket lid down with more force.

See what happens tomorrow.
 
mknauss said:
Main drain requires more suction head. So that pulls the pump basket lid down with more force.

See what happens tomorrow.
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GM, so something bizarre. So i got the water sample this morning and tested and my first test came back with no CL loss. for some reason i thought i went to fast on drop let me just double check and did a second test, had CL loss of 2. I usually get enough water sample from pool to do few tests. Now i am going crazy did another test and CL loss of 1 . WTH i am not sure what the issue is all my chemicals are brand new and its a pretty simple test . do you know why i would get different test results from same water sample? I always fill up bottle at same spot in pool( 20 inch below, 5 feet away from deep and and its about 3 feet away from skimmers).
 
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Variations in droplet size from R0871. There is testing error. It is assumed if you do all the tests, the error should be minimal.
 
mknauss said:
Variations in droplet size from R0871. There is testing error. It is assumed if you do all the tests, the error should be minimal.
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Hello Marty First of all i really enjoyed watching the youtube video, very informative. please keep them coming.

Now for my struggle . Last few days i noticed water looked clear and i have had no OCLT, so i deiced to let FC drop from SLAM level. Last night for the first time in a week turned off the pump after it had been running for 14 hrs . This morning when i turned on the pump i saw whole bunch of debris come out of return, almost looked like dirt and right away pool looked cloudy. I decided to open up the filter saw that good amount of dirt on bottom and filter could use cleaning. i wished i have taken pic of cartridge. No algae in cartridge or filter just dirt. i cleaned all the cartridges' and filter that was about 10am this morning . filter has been running nonstop since and pool still looks cloudy(6pm now) . not sure if i should bring to SLAM level or just let the filter run. I am not sure if you remember i am having lot of bubbles in pump and return coming from suction side. PB suppose to come and see what's going on . with that said you think that's effecting my filtration. maybe i have a filtration issue more than algae ? I am sorry i am getting so frustrated with this trying to understand what's the issue. Want to get ahead of this before its worse. Thank you.

Sunny P
 
I would just maintain normal FC and see how it clears up. Was the first time you cleaned the filter cartridges since opening?
 

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It was probably a combination of residual SLAM nasties (dead algae) and whatever gunk settled in the pool over the winter.

As a heads up for your new battle, I got in the car after work today and the whole front end was yellow from pollen. So next you will be going cloudy at times from that. Your testing will come back clean and all you can do about it is run the pump to filter it out. Some years it was a month long battle here and so far the reports from our southern friends are this year is a heavy pollen year.
 
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mknauss said:
I would just maintain normal FC and see how it clears up. Was the first time you cleaned the filter cartridges since opening?
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Yeap very first time. I was little nervous but seems very easy. So my plan is to bring it back to SLAM level and leave the pump running.
 
My SLAM cartridges were far better than the Pollen cartridges a few weeks later. 9F14DB20-8264-4E7F-AFB2-2555C6546760.jpeg21194454-0C13-4841-AA97-14837BA56C4A.jpeg46E169A5-BE94-4454-AB0F-4A316B1BC37B.jpeg
 
sonup2000 said:
didnt see any pollen(but then again i am not sure what am i looking for
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It started today. It will take a bit to cover everything and eventually find its way to the pool once it’s blowing around.

It was a pre-emptive heads up that in 2 weeks you’re probably gonna think your algae is back. Use your testing to prove it isn’t. Then you can feel better sitting back while the filter does it’s thing. But it takes a good deal of time so it’s disheartening so soon after a 2 week SLAM. :)
 
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@mknauss PB came today fixed the bubbles issues, it with was air leak in 3 way valve. he looked at my pool and said it just slightly cloudy. he said thats why i told you to get DE filter but you wanted cartridge. anyway he said add little clarifier and it should make particles bigger so cartridge filter can pick it up. he told me stop running the robot you got no debris on bottom all its doing is stirring up everything. said just run the pump at 85% 24/7 till its all clear. he said you have no algae just water needs to get cleared. what are your thoughts?
 
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what are your thoughts?
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Bull feathers !!!! If the PB can see 5-10 millionths of an inch with his naked eyes then you may continue to listen to him.

There are millions of cartridge filter out there with impeccable water. There are also millions of slightly less capable sand filters also providing crystal clear water.

Clarifier may help trap the particles but the gummed up gunk may or may not clean off your brand new cartridges. Let the filter filter and stay the original course.
 
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Newdude said:
Bull feathers !!!! If the PB can see 5-10 millionths of an inch with his naked eyes then you may continue to listen to him.

There are millions of cartridge filter out there with impeccable water. There are also millions of slightly less capable sand filters also providing crystal clear water.

Clarifier may help trap the particles but the gummed up gunk may or may not clean off your brand new cartridges. Let the filter filter and stay the original course.
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i know people use DE in sand filter but can you use DE in cartridge filter to clear up cloudiness ?
 
sonup2000 said:
i know people use DE in sand filter but can you use DE in cartridge filter to clear up cloudiness ?
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It is not recommended. The cartridge filter micron size is small enough that it is not needed.

Remind me, have you passed multiple OCLT? Have normal FC loss during the day of less than 3 ppm?
 
mknauss said:
It is not recommended. The cartridge filter micron size is small enough that it is not needed.

Remind me, have you passed multiple OCLT? Have normal FC loss during the day of less than 3 ppm?
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yes no OCLT loss and daily FC loss during the day is about 3-4 ppm on really sunny day. still keeping SLAM level and pump running 24/7.
 

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