New pool build - Owner-builder

bdavis466

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BaseCrete for the entire pool?? Is this an industry standard practice? My initial thought was/should be for waterline and wet tile areas. Plaster would act as a water sealant for the rest of the pool surfaces?
Yes, the whole pool. Plaster isn't actually waterproof - it does a good enough job but could be much better. Just look at how many people have issues with the rebar rusting through their plaster....

The other huge advantage of basecrete is it acts as a bonding agent between the shotcrete and plaster and is relatively flexible so it allows for some expansion between the shell and plaster. The two materials typically have different compressive strengths and dissimilar expansion characteristics (3-5000 psi for shotcrete and 7-10k for plaster). Add in the waterproofing characteristics and you got yourself a great product.
 
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MyAZPool

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Jul 3, 2018
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Arizona
I used shotcrete for my new construction pool and at the point of applying pebble plaster. @MyAZPool what are your thoughts on this? @John_and_Val did you apply a waterproofing like Basecrete? Would plaster applicators/companies turn away if a waterproofing like Basecrete was applied or asked of them to apply prior to applying the pebble plaster?

Here's another tread I found on pool shell waterproofing:
Hi chemillion,
Thanks for asking but questions regarding applying this Basecrete is out of my league. What I would say is, that we should direct your question to someone who has a lot more experience with this sort of stuff than I.

Calling @bdavis466.
Brian, chemillion has just had his shotecrete completed and he has a couple of questions regarding this basecrete product and whether or not he should consider using it before his tile and pebbletec is installed. He is somewhere there in your neck of the woods I believe.
Thanks Brian!!!!!

chemillion, whatever bdavis466 recommends to you would be exactly what I would do.
Thanks.
r.
 

chemillion

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May 7, 2019
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Yes, the whole pool. Plaster isn't actually waterproof - it does a good enough job but could be much better. Just look at how many people have issues with the rebar rusting through their plaster....

The other huge advantage of basecrete is it acts as a bonding agent between the shotcrete and plaster and is relatively flexible so it allows for some expansion between the shell and plaster. The two materials typically have different compressive strengths and dissimilar expansion characteristics (3-5000 psi for shotcrete and 7-10k for plaster). Add in the waterproofing characteristics and you got yourself a great product.
Thank you @bdavis466 .
I’m getting quotes from the following, since you’re in San Clemente, maybe you’ve heard or recommend any of the following (not listed in any particular order of pref):?
1. Alan Smith Pool Plaster
2. J Hock Pool Plaster
3. Jeff Lucas Construction
4. Baron Pool Plaster
Thanks,
C
 
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bdavis466

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I've had experiences with all of them but I really like the WetEdge products.

When I'm due these guys will probably get the work:


I have another guy that does NPT's products if that's the route you choose to take. I can PM the info if interested.
 

chemillion

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Thank you @bdavis466 .
I’m getting quotes from the following, since you’re in San Clemente, maybe you’ve heard or recommend any of the following (not any any particular order of pref):?
1. Alan Smith Pool Plaster
2. J Hock Pool Plaster
3. Jeff Lucas Construction
4. Baron Pool Plaster
Thanks,
C
Good read :
 

chemillion

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I've had experiences with all of them but I really like the WetEdge products.

When I'm due these guys will probably get the work:


I have another guy that does NPT's products if that's the route you choose to take. I can PM the info if interested.
Yes please. Do these plaster companies apply Basecrete as best practice standard or do I have to specify?
 

chemillion

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That is correct. That’s what Bdavis is saying. Who do you have doing your plaster? If you haven’t plastered, it may not be too late. I’m not sure what the specs require in the thickness of the Basecrete application, but if it’s less that 1/4” then you may still be able to apply it with a final flush finish plaster & tile.
 

debuda

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May 16, 2019
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Los Angeles
That is correct. That’s what Bdavis is saying. Who do you have doing your plaster? If you haven’t plastered, it may not be too late. I’m not sure what the specs require in the thickness of the Basecrete application, but if it’s less that 1/4” then you may still be able to apply it with a final flush finish plaster & tile.
Thanks. I am using Jeff Lucas. I will ask...
 

WalkerTribe7

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Ok have a few more pics to share...

Plumber came by today and installed all the equipment and electrical!

I was a little concerned that the heater and filter are not bolted. Is that normal?

Next is fence and then plaster!! Cant wait!

Our heater and filter had to be bolted down and were checked during inspection. We live in Orange County.
 
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chemillion

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That is correct. That’s what Bdavis is saying. Who do you have doing your plaster? If you haven’t plastered, it may not be too late. I’m not sure what the specs require in the thickness of the Basecrete application, but if it’s less that 1/4” then you may still be able to apply it with a final flush finish plaster & tile.
Looks like the Basecrete film thickness is 1/8" according to the specifications guide for applications of 2 coats...
 

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chemillion

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I've had experiences with all of them but I really like the WetEdge products.

When I'm due these guys will probably get the work:


I have another guy that does NPT's products if that's the route you choose to take. I can PM the info if interested.
bdavis, what do you like about these guys at Cruz Swimming Pool Plaster?