New pool build in LV
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Is the Load Center with i8PS Personality Kit also able to power the 4 lights, bubbler light and 3 pumps?
How do I automate the non Pentair blower?
How do I automate the non Pentair blower?
- May 3, 2007
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- 20000
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- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
Is the blower for floor bubbles or the spa jets? A blower should not be necessary for spa venturi jets if large pipe is used and a Hartford loop is installed close to the spa.
- Jul 21, 2013
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- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
Do you want the lights to be individually controlled for ON/OFF and color?
Any model blower 240V power is controlled by an AUX relay.
- Jul 21, 2013
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- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
011075 IntelliFlo3 has all the same features except an optional pump control panel.
I would not hesitate to buy the discontinued pump. I don’t see any downside.
I thought the IntelliFlo3 was less powerful/ less GPM (170 vs 220) probably doesn't matter for the main pump but potentially for the spa jet pump
That would mean I can't control it via the pentair app or is there a pentair AUX relay?
I was concerned that the plumber messes something up and then I end up with no air since I have no way of verifying.
- Jul 21, 2013
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You will never know the difference.
The Pentair app controls all AUX relays as well as RS-485 controlled devices.
I like a spa with a blower. Guaranteed to have the air flow I want.
I have never seen floor bubbles in pools is that something which can be done with a blower?
@ajw22 thank you so much for your quick responses!
- May 3, 2007
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Yes but it is mostly cosmetic rather than therapeutic. Here is a picture showing both:
As for the spa jet pump, here is a comparison between the XF and the 3 for a spa with 3" plumbing, 45' runs, 8 jets with 3/8" orifice.
IntellifloXF: 18.8 GPM/Jet, 142 ft-lbs/sec2 exit momentum
Intelliflo3: 17.4 GPM/Jet, 122 ft-lbs/sec2 exit momentum
The XF would have a slight advantage in the strength of the jet. Specifications of 3/8" jets recommend 15 GPM/jet for moderate jets and 20 GPM/jets for strong jets.
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Thanks @mas985 for sharing the numbers even though it's just a minor difference it looks like it's worth it. If I go with 3/8" I should probably go with 6 or 7 jets instead of 8.
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- May 3, 2007
- 17,002
- Pool Size
- 20000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
- May 3, 2007
- 17,002
- Pool Size
- 20000
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- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
If you want them stronger. But it will depend on the jet. You should really decide on that first.
Spa jets are a blindspot for me. Is there a good place to read up on them?
My current thought is XF pump for 4 jet columns and 2 'normal' jets power by the circulation XF pump.
My current thought is XF pump for 4 jet columns and 2 'normal' jets power by the circulation XF pump.
In my opinion, jets are more hype than reality.
You get a jet of water drilling into a single spot unless you move around or if you get a jet that moves.
I suspect that most people don’t like the jets as much as they thought they would.
You get a jet of water drilling into a single spot unless you move around or if you get a jet that moves.
I suspect that most people don’t like the jets as much as they thought they would.
- May 3, 2007
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- Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
My spa has standard venturi tees with 3/8" nozzles. Two jets have spinners and the others are are eyeballs so direct jets.
The air in the jet stream breaks it up quite a bit and the jet is far enough away from your body that it doesn't hit a small spot but a fairly large area on your back. More like a fist size. But even the direct jets move around a lot due to the air injection. I am pretty satisfied with the jets.
I think the issue with most spa owners that are unsatisfied is that the PB did a HS job using small pipe and the main pump for the jets. If the jet flow rate is sufficient, I think most spa owners are happy with the performance.
Having said that, no one should expect stand alone spa performance in an IG spa.
The air in the jet stream breaks it up quite a bit and the jet is far enough away from your body that it doesn't hit a small spot but a fairly large area on your back. More like a fist size. But even the direct jets move around a lot due to the air injection. I am pretty satisfied with the jets.
I think the issue with most spa owners that are unsatisfied is that the PB did a HS job using small pipe and the main pump for the jets. If the jet flow rate is sufficient, I think most spa owners are happy with the performance.
Having said that, no one should expect stand alone spa performance in an IG spa.
@mas985 is there any concern regarding the lifespan of the spinners? I liked that idea but was concerned about moving parts. How much HP does your blower have for 4 jets?
- May 3, 2007
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My spa has 6 jets and no blower. As I mentioned before, venturi jets do not need a blower IF the plumbing is designed properly. That is the whole point of the venturi. It creates suction from the water passing through it which clears the air lines and then sucks in air. The problem comes in with long air lines that are sloped downward from the spa. If those fill up with water, they become very hard to clear without a blower. That is why a Hartford loop close to the spa is usually very important. It prevents the air line from filling with water.
As for spinner lifetime, I guess it would depend on how often the spa is used. Just buy a couple extras for spares. They aren't that expensive.
Paramount has some fancier jets that have full inserts. You might want to take a look at these as well:
www.1paramount.com
They seem pretty popular with the forum.
As for spinner lifetime, I guess it would depend on how often the spa is used. Just buy a couple extras for spares. They aren't that expensive.
Paramount has some fancier jets that have full inserts. You might want to take a look at these as well:
ParaJets Massage Therapy Spa Jets - Paramount Pool & Spa Systems
Design your spa with ParaJets massage therapy spa jets to deliver a relaxing hydro-therapeutic massage, with four interchangeable face plates!
www.1paramount.com
They seem pretty popular with the forum.
So unfortunately the 022035 WhisperFloXF VS Commercial Pool Pump is out of stock everywhere and if I really want it I will need to wait 3-6 month 
Alternatively I could go with the Intelliflo XF which pushes 220 GPM best case (vs 280 GPM)
I will need 185GPM for all the water features and I am not sure if 220GPM will be enough considering the head loss. Also I would need to run the Intelliflo XF at 100% vs the commercial one which I could probably run at 80%. The equipment is 50' away from the pool around the house so noise may not be an issue.
I could also use 2 IntelliFlo3 and split the features up but then I would need another suction line, and potentially another filter etc.
I could put the 6' sheer on one pump and the 3x 1' sheers + 1x bubbler + 6 deck jets on another.
Alternatively I could go with the Intelliflo XF which pushes 220 GPM best case (vs 280 GPM)
I will need 185GPM for all the water features and I am not sure if 220GPM will be enough considering the head loss. Also I would need to run the Intelliflo XF at 100% vs the commercial one which I could probably run at 80%. The equipment is 50' away from the pool around the house so noise may not be an issue.
I could also use 2 IntelliFlo3 and split the features up but then I would need another suction line, and potentially another filter etc.
I could put the 6' sheer on one pump and the 3x 1' sheers + 1x bubbler + 6 deck jets on another.