Just got SWG installed.

[rsanders4315]

Hi,
I don't use forums often, so please forgive me if I don't follow proper procedure. I had my pool equipment upgraded with Pentair Intellicent Control System, Pool & Spa upgrade kit. I also had the iCHLOR 30 with PWR Center installed. I noticed that the iCHLOR never turns off.
I've seen that when you put the system into service mode, the unit should turn off with the pump. That doesn't happen, I open the main control center, and noticed that there is nothing connected to the pump/filter relay. I also can't determine which relay the pump is running on.
I can provide pictures if needed. I contacted the service company that did the install, and they are scheduling me 2 weeks out, plus and extra service charge. I would love to firgure it out, with using them and paying extra.

I previous had the pentair intellitouch system i9+3. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Ray

 

[1poolman1]

Hi,
I don't use forums often, so please forgive me if I don't follow proper procedure. I had my pool equipment upgraded with Pentair Intellicent Control System, Pool & Spa upgrade kit. I also had the iCHLOR 30 with PWR Center installed. I noticed that the iCHLOR never turns off.
I've seen that when you put the system into service mode, the unit should turn off with the pump. That doesn't happen, I open the main control center, and noticed that there is nothing connected to the pump/filter relay. I also can't determine which relay the pump is running on.
I can provide pictures if needed. I contacted the service company that did the install, and they are scheduling me 2 weeks out, plus and extra service charge. I would love to firgure it out, with using them and paying extra.

I previous had the pentair intellitouch system i9+3. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Ray

An Intelliflow, if installed correctly, is not attached to any relay but is powered continuously and the automation determines its run times and speeds.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Ray,

The Cell's Power Center MUST be powered by the load side of the Pump/Filter relay.. This is not an option, it is a safety requirement.

Your pool company should not charge you anything as they did not do the job right the first time.

As pointed out above, your IntelliFlo should get constant AC power and it not wired to any relay.

Show us several pics of the inside of your new IntelliCenter so we can see the breakers, wiring and relays..

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[kul]

Also please add information to your signature about your pool. Size? Plaster? Vinyl?

 

[rsanders4315]

So do I need to worry if the iCHLOR is powered on even when the pump is not running?

Ray,

The Cell's Power Center MUST be powered by the load side of the Pump/Filter relay.. This is not an option, it is a safety requirement.

Your pool company should not charge you anything as they did not do the job right the first time.

As pointed out above, your IntelliFlo should get constant AC power and it not wired to any relay.

Show us several pics of the inside of your new IntelliCenter so we can see the breakers, wiring and relays..

Thanks,

Jim R.

Jim R,

Thank you for that info. I do believe that the IntelliFlo is wired the way your saying.

The swg is stilled powered when the pool is shut off from the schedule. The photo with my finger shows the wires coming from iCHLOR pwr center.
I hope that helps.

Ray

 

[Jimrahbe]

Ray,

You can fix your SWCG problem one of two ways,,

1. There is a little two wire coil cable coming off of your Aux 6 relay.. Just unplug it from the Aux 6 port on your main card and plug it into the Pump/Filter port. This will make your Aux 6 relay into the Filter/Pump relay and your SWCG will go off any time you are not in the Pool or Spa mode, or any time you are in the Service mode.

2. The only down side to the above fix is that 'technically' the pump/filter relay would be in the wrong location when you look at the layout on the door. That is why, if this were my system, I would take the two red wires on the Aux 6 relay and move them up to the actual Pump/Filter relay like it should have been done, in the first place. What turns Aux 6 on and off now?

Either way, you might have to do some rescheduling...

Please let me know if this does not make any sense..

I had 'assumed' that you had a new IntelliCenter installed.. I see now, that you just upgraded your old IntelliTouch into the IntelliCenter.. So not sure if your pool company did any rewiring to the relays..

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[rsanders4315]

Looks like the Aux operates our fire bowls. I'm sorry, I didn't explain that well. We did the upgrade to the IntelliCenter. I don't think he changed any of the wiring to the relays, I think he just added the SWG to relay 2.
Looking at his notes, it's showing the pump on Aux1. I can give you the notes that he took before upgrading to the IntelliCenter.

I have a question, should I get any power reading from filter pump relay? I put a voltage meter on it, and didn't get a reading from it. But I did on Aux1.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Ray,

You should ignore what I said in post #6

We really need to know for sure where the salt cell is wired.

The empty relay in the top left is the Pump/Filter relay. The next relay to the right is Aux 1.

I can't make out what he has listed for Aux 1 but it appears to be SW???

If your external power center is wired to Aux 1, then it appears to be wired correctly, but we know the cell does not turn off like it should when the pump is not be told to run.

You need to follow the little black 2-wire cable that comes for Aux 1 back to the main card and tell me what port it is connected to.. If it is connected to the Aux 1 port, then that is the problem.. Remove the connector from the Aux 1 port and connect it to the Filter port and your cell should work correctly.

Please let me know what you find.

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[rsanders4315]

Thanks Jim R.

I know he wrote all this down before connecting up the salt cell. Ok, I will try to trace the wires at the top of AUX1.

 

[rsanders4315]

Hi Jim R,

I found a list that I made when we first got the pool built. These were the order of the relays. 1) Pool Sweep, 2) Right Pool Light, 3) Left Pool Light, 4) Spa Light, 5) Spa Booster (jets), 6) Fire Bowls, 7) Fiber Lamineer, 8) Sheer Decent.
I hope that helps.

Ray

 

[Jimrahbe]

Ray,

It matters not what lists we might have.. What actually matters now is... How is the Cell's power center connected into your automation...

The only way to know is to trace the wiring back from the power center and into your automation, and actually see where the wires go.

At this point, it would not surprise me if they wired the power center right to a breaker...

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[rsanders4315]

Hi Jim R,
I traced the 2 wires that went to AUX1.

 

[rsanders4315]

I think your right. the first breaker in the panel, is where the cell is connected.
That was used for the original salt cell. If I turn that breaker off, the cell goes off.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Ray,

I assume by the "First Breaker" you are talking about the top breaker on the left..

It appears to me that the top breaker on the left is wired into the Aux 1 relay..

As a test, turn on Aux 1 and see if the cell shuts off... If it does, simply unplug the cable from the Aux 1 port and plug it into the Filter port..

You will have to remove the cable that is currently plugged into Filter port.. It should be going to the unused Pump/Filter relay..

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[rsanders4315]

Hey Jim R,

As soon as I flip the breaker, the cell turns on. I switch the port for AUX1, and nothing changed. I switched everything back, and tried to turn on AUX1, and nothing happen. I did hear a click in the power center. I think it's the pump to the original pool cleaner pump.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Ray,

Flipping the breaker does not prove much, as the breaker could be powering several different things..

We need to follow the AC wires that power the External Power Center and see exactly where they go inside the automation... The Cell's Power Center has to get its AC power from somewhere.. ??

It is either wired directly to a breaker or it is wired to a relay..

I assume that there is a conduit from the Cell's Power Center into the bottom of the Automation..

If you can, show me a pic of where the conduit connects to the automation and then a couple showing where those specific wires are going inside the automation.

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[rsanders4315]

Yellow, white wire are connected to 2 black wires in the conduit, green is grounded. To the right is the cable connecting to cell, also a grey wire that's connected to terminal inside. (green,yelllow,red,blk). Conduit comes out left side of pwr center, down back of main power box. Into the bottom back of main power center. It comes out and connect to AUX1, which is powered by top left breaker also. Small cable is following conduit down the back and coming in the box at the bottom left hole. Runs up the left side chamber to the back of the control system. And connects to COM Port - B (RS485-B (J4), on the diagram.

 

[rsanders4315]

Here's the rest of the pics. I hope I narrated it ok.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Ray,

Thanks for the pics..

Ok, then we know for sure that the Power Center is getting power from the Aux 1 relay..

The problem is that it appears to me is that the power center is connected to the Line side (input side) of Aux 1.. This means it gets constant AC power. They are not using the relay itself, they are just the line side to get AC power..

It also appears to me that your Aux 1 relay is being used for something else, so we can't use it to turn the cell on and off.. We are back to using the Pump/Filter relay, which is currently empty.

Obviously, you are going to do the following with all the circuit breakers off..

The two black wires from the power center need to be connected to the Load side (Output side) of the Pump/Filter relay.. Remove the black wire from the power center that is on Aux 1, Pin 1 and install it on the Pump/Filter relay Pin 2. Then remove the black wire from the power center that is on Aux 1, Pin 3, and install it on the Pump/Filter relay Pin 4

This will leave your Aux 1 with the original black wire on pin 1 and an original black wire on pin 2. The original red wire on pin 3 and the original red wire on pin 4... These wires have nothing to do with your SWCG.

After you have moved the Black wires from Aux 1 over to the Pump/Filter relay, then, you will need to connect 240 Volts AC to the Line side pins of the Pump Filter relay.. Pins 1 and 3..

You can do that by adding a jumper between Aux 1, Pin 1 and the Pump/Filter relay, Pin 1.. Then add a jumper from Aux 1, Pin 3, to the Pump/Filter relay, Pin 3...

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[rsanders4315]

Ok, Im going to have to take this very slow..