Yes i'm in questioning mode again ... that nuisance newbie from down under. I have tried hard to keep this impersonal as these statements are repeated by many.
A number of statements that get repeated, especially to new members who will not have the knowledge yet to correctly interpret them.
"Turnover is a myth"
"You don't need to turn over your pool each day"
"Chemicals keep your pool clean"
"you only need to run your pump to mix the chemicals"
"run your pump/filter constantly whilst doing a slam"
There are some more but those 5 can kick start the discussion at least...
Let's start with
"Chemicals keep your pool clean"
Pedantically chemicals and proper TFP chemical balance will essentially keep you pool free of Algae and sanitised, cannot agree more. Twelve months of sparking clear water has clearly shown the benefit following the process.
However it will do absolutely nothing for particles floating in your water. The dust and other crud that comes out of the sky from wind and rain and is often only visible of a night in a beam of light, just like dust in a beam of sunlight
Cleaning (filtering) particles out of your pool water is the job of that filter you install "to keep your water clean"
With my own AGP having gone from the seriously undersized oem supplied sand filter to a 21" sand filter to a seriously oversized 32" sand filter it's been quite obvious that the period of time to clear those fine particles has decreased. Most of my small particles is fine red dust.
So circulation and filtration matter.
"You don't need to turn over your pool each day"
Hang on, if filtering matters and the use of large filters by people indicates that it does then how do we get all those little particles from the pool to the filter????
We circulate a percentage of water over the filter media everyday.
I read somewhere in one of the deep end posts i think that depending just on how the water flows around your pool (circulation) will determine just how much water per "turnover" will pass over/through your filter media.
The drains/skimmers are effectively point sources from a circulation viewpoint and if during one complete turnover cycle you only effectively filter 50% of the volume of water then you need multiple turnovers to filter out suspended particulates.
That quoted % is just a number and could be much higher or even much lower if you have circulation shortcuts in your pool.
Is turnover a myth? ......... maybe when promoted as a "you turn your water over twice a day" bog standard advice but seriously it is important to actually cleaning your water ...... stop i said cleaning not sanitising.
"you only need to run your pump to mix the chemicals" .... i read this only today, it's an often said line and it's valid from a chemical, sanitising viewpoint.
But it does NOTHING to help filtering (cleansing) particulates out of your beautifully sanitised water.
"run your filter constantly whilst doing a slam"
I know why this is said but doesn't it sort of contradict nearly all the other turnover statements at the very core.
I love TFP, i'm convinced that it has given me sparkling clean water even when i haven't quite done it by the book (apart from testing)
I started my AGP vinyl pool on a diet of Tri-Chlor tablets till CYA came up and only then switched to bleach and now to SWCG but with the SWCG i run constantly at the upper level of the range and never worry if it goes over.
My pump runs about 9hrs a day during the day generally consuming the solar power from the 6kw solar system on the roof so run time doesn't worry me .... i drop this to a couple of hours at midday during winter.
I am a huge consumer of data from posts and i have read a fair percentage of threads going back a few years and it's interesting when you read so much in a shortened time frame that you start to see how the advice matures and changes over time but you also see how some things become ingrained and repeated without question.
One parting thought if you run your pump/filter 24x7 for the purpose of skimming your surface are you also not be default cleansing particulates via water turnover through your filter yet i've then seen it claimed in the same post that turnover is a myth .... can you truly have it both ways.
Flame suit is on
cheers
Phil
A number of statements that get repeated, especially to new members who will not have the knowledge yet to correctly interpret them.
"Turnover is a myth"
"You don't need to turn over your pool each day"
"Chemicals keep your pool clean"
"you only need to run your pump to mix the chemicals"
"run your pump/filter constantly whilst doing a slam"
There are some more but those 5 can kick start the discussion at least...
Let's start with
"Chemicals keep your pool clean"
Pedantically chemicals and proper TFP chemical balance will essentially keep you pool free of Algae and sanitised, cannot agree more. Twelve months of sparking clear water has clearly shown the benefit following the process.
However it will do absolutely nothing for particles floating in your water. The dust and other crud that comes out of the sky from wind and rain and is often only visible of a night in a beam of light, just like dust in a beam of sunlight
Cleaning (filtering) particles out of your pool water is the job of that filter you install "to keep your water clean"
With my own AGP having gone from the seriously undersized oem supplied sand filter to a 21" sand filter to a seriously oversized 32" sand filter it's been quite obvious that the period of time to clear those fine particles has decreased. Most of my small particles is fine red dust.
So circulation and filtration matter.
"You don't need to turn over your pool each day"
Hang on, if filtering matters and the use of large filters by people indicates that it does then how do we get all those little particles from the pool to the filter????
We circulate a percentage of water over the filter media everyday.
I read somewhere in one of the deep end posts i think that depending just on how the water flows around your pool (circulation) will determine just how much water per "turnover" will pass over/through your filter media.
The drains/skimmers are effectively point sources from a circulation viewpoint and if during one complete turnover cycle you only effectively filter 50% of the volume of water then you need multiple turnovers to filter out suspended particulates.
That quoted % is just a number and could be much higher or even much lower if you have circulation shortcuts in your pool.
Is turnover a myth? ......... maybe when promoted as a "you turn your water over twice a day" bog standard advice but seriously it is important to actually cleaning your water ...... stop i said cleaning not sanitising.
"you only need to run your pump to mix the chemicals" .... i read this only today, it's an often said line and it's valid from a chemical, sanitising viewpoint.
But it does NOTHING to help filtering (cleansing) particulates out of your beautifully sanitised water.
"run your filter constantly whilst doing a slam"
I know why this is said but doesn't it sort of contradict nearly all the other turnover statements at the very core.
I love TFP, i'm convinced that it has given me sparkling clean water even when i haven't quite done it by the book (apart from testing)
I started my AGP vinyl pool on a diet of Tri-Chlor tablets till CYA came up and only then switched to bleach and now to SWCG but with the SWCG i run constantly at the upper level of the range and never worry if it goes over.
My pump runs about 9hrs a day during the day generally consuming the solar power from the 6kw solar system on the roof so run time doesn't worry me .... i drop this to a couple of hours at midday during winter.
I am a huge consumer of data from posts and i have read a fair percentage of threads going back a few years and it's interesting when you read so much in a shortened time frame that you start to see how the advice matures and changes over time but you also see how some things become ingrained and repeated without question.
One parting thought if you run your pump/filter 24x7 for the purpose of skimming your surface are you also not be default cleansing particulates via water turnover through your filter yet i've then seen it claimed in the same post that turnover is a myth .... can you truly have it both ways.
Flame suit is on
cheers
Phil