Another Tampa Bay new build - input and thoughts on design/costs

letsgetwet

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About to sign a contract for a new pool on our new construction (not yet built home). We are some what limited on space as we have a detached garage on the rear of the lot. We are completely new to pool ownership and very confused. I feel like we are getting a lot as a package, but maybe not. What questions should we be asking before signing, what things should be changed, options we should consider, and what's missing (I don't see a skimmer setup anywhere?). Price ~$75k

We are also trying to consider how to maximize green space in our backyard given the limited space we have for pool placement - shift spa/shelf location, envelope of pool, change pool steps, etc. I welcome input here too .
  • Pool 12 x 25
  • Spa 6 x 6, spillover with 6 jets (spa can be increased up to 50 sq ft at no additional cost)
  • Sun shelf 5.5 x 10 on each side
  • Up to 6 well points
  • Depth 3.5' to 5'
  • 1 LED Bubbler and 1 Umbrella Holder
  • Premium Equipment Package
    • Pool Pump: Intelliflow 2.5 - 3hp variable speed, energy efficient
    • Heat Pump: Ultratemp 110 Heat pump, sized accordingly (and 3x3 slab)
    • Filter Cartdige: Clean and clear 150sf
    • Salt Chlorinator: Pentair IC 40
    • LED Color Lights; Microbrite Nichless (one in hot tub, two in pool)
    • Automation: Pentair easy touch 8 Automation (with phone control)
    • Valves
    • Independent breaker for heat pump
    • Homerun electric run to equipment
  • Other
    • Premium waterline tile, Level 1 PebbleTec/Sheen
    • 2" Deco drain
    • 700 square feet of decking
    • Wall and main drain fittings
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Depth 3.5' to 5'
I would rethink the 5' depth. It is too shallow to even do a cannon ball into without hitting your bum and it is a bit too deep for the average female (5'5") to stand in as the water will just under their jaw. What I would do is go 4' all the way and make all of the pool very usable.
Equipment
Make sure you get model numbers for EVERY thing. There are so many different sizes and such you want to make sure to get what will work best for your pool instead of what they have left over in the warehouse.

Oh and welcome to TFP!!!
 
The usable space of the pool is very small. Too much space taken up by the stairs and shelf. The shelfs look nice, but you will not use them much, you will be in the pool. 3.5 feet is not deep enough for a shallow end. Go 4 feet, you will not constantly have to keep squatting to dip in the water. If you are keeping the shelf, incorporate the stairs over there and open up the right side. And as kimkats said, get exact equipment make and models. Here is my standard blurb I send to all prospective pool builders:

Lock in a design of what you want, materials you want, and the equipment you want. Then, when you are comparing quotes, they should all be for the same thing. Don't be afraid to get multiple quotes (at least 3, but 5 would be better). The salesperson will tell you what you want to hear.

In my opinion, all of the pool companies are the same. They basically all hire the same subs and just do the scheduling. The best company will be the one that has 100% project manager involvement (the project manager will be there anytime any of the subs are there). Basically, the subs are:
- architect/engineer (they may do this in-house)
- layout sub
- excavator sub (dig and final grade)
- rebar sub
- plumber
- electrician
- gunite sub
- paver or concrete sub
- tile sub (possibly in house)
- finisher (plaster) sub
- screen builder if you get one

Typically, the pool company will do the initial sprinkler capping where they are digging, but you will need to have a sprinkler contractor come back and fix. Also, most pool companies will not do the final landscaping including replacing sod.

Get EVERYTHING in writing. Even the smallest details. I.E. height of stair risers, exact depth of water at all locations in pool, details of paver cuts and corners, screen layout, pool finish, equipment, etc. Verify ALL materials prior to them ordering. Otherwise, if it is incorrect, there will be a delay. Take pictures of the materials you select (tile, grout, pool finish, pavers, travertine, etc.), then print the pictures and have sales person sign pictures and make part of contract. That way there is no disagreement on products provided.

Also, be prepared for a mess! Sod torn up, mud everywhere, debris, etc. Make sure there is a DAILY cleanup clause in the contract.

If I ever build another pool, I will act as the general contractor myself. I was there for most of the build and caught items because the project manager was not on site. The subs did a good job and were very friendly and informative. Most of the issues were due to a lack of good communication by the pool builder/project manager.

For equipment, do not buy into the smoke and mirrors the pool companies will sell you. Stay away from ozone, UV, etc.

- Filter: Cartridge as big as possible
- Pump: Variable speed
- Salt Water Generator: Rated at least twice the pool volume.

There is one way to go for pool sanitation: chlorine. There are 2 ways to it: liquid chorine or salt water generator.

A salt water pool is a chlorine pool. It just converts the salt to chlorine and then back to salt and it is less hassle because you do not have to lug around jugs of chlorine.

Try to stay away from chlorine pucks (chlorine feeder) because they have an additive that raises CYA. The higher the CYA, the more chorine you need. It is a vicious cycle.

If a pool company tries to tell you that a salt water generator will corrode equipment, cross that company off your list. They do not know what they are talking about and you don't want them building your pool. The amount of salt in salt water pool is about a 1/10th of ocean water. Also, all pools that use chlorine will have salt in them due to breakdown process of chlorine.

A must have in Central Florida is an auto DRAIN because we get so much rain here. You can get away with not having an auto FILL, but it is nice to have.

Go to the website www.troublefreepool.com. Great advice on new pool builds. Great advice on maintaining a pool. They do not try to sell you anything.
 
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What I would do is go 4' all the way

3.5 feet is not deep enough for a shallow end. Go 4 feet,
And specify water depth with whatever you choose. When the pool is 'full' it's about 6 inches lower than the wall height. It's not noticeable on '8ft' pools but very noticeable at shallow depths.
Also, be prepared for a mess! Sod torn up, mud everywhere, debris, etc. Make sure there is a DAILY cleanup clause in the contract.
Preach. I've been around construction my whole life and knew exactly what I signed up for. Seeing so much of my yard that I was never meant to see still took my breath away. Then I moved and did it again and STILL had that feeling.
If I ever build another pool, I will act as the general contractor myself.
+1 here too. I knew what was basically entailed for the 1st but chose to not want to manage it. The 2nd time I knew exactly what was needed but didn't have the time to devote to it so I went with the PB again. The PB and all the subs were a disaster and I GC'd the 2nd pool anyway, often having a harder time going through the PB as a middle man.
 
Updated with specs of equipment offered. Is there concern with easy touich 8 vs intelliconnect?
If those are your only options then go with ET8. Get the model number and post back to ensure it has what you need.

I would also ask for a larger cartridge filter - go over 200sq ft or even up to 300 sq ft. This will help in the long run to increase your time between cleaning.

Similar with your heat pump - the larger the heater (more BTUs), the quicker it will heat the spa. A low BTU heater will take longer time to run and a higher BTU heater will run shorter time. The energy consumption may be about the same, you just get to jump in the spa earlier.
 
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