BLACK+DECKER Pool Heat Pump

[tevch]

Seems like Black and Decker released a pool heat pump.
Anybody can say anything about it?

Energy-Saving BLACK+DECKER Pool Heat Pump 80,000 BTU to Heat 15,000 Gallons

Energy-Saving BLACK+DECKER Pool Heat Pump 80,000 BTU to Heat 15,000 Gallons Economical, energy-saving, and fast-acting, the BLACK+DECKER pool heat pump tops the market in craftsmanship and value. This model reduces costs by using an evaporation condenser built from corrosion-resistant titanium...

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[ajw22]

Looks interesting.

I wonder how B+D will provide warranty and service on it.

 

[tradewinds]

Any updates on these?

Has titanium heat exchanger for swg pools. For ~2K is it worth it?

 

[ajw22]

Has titanium heat exchanger for swg pools.

That is not unusual in a Heat Pump.

 

[tradewinds]

That is not unusual in a Heat Pump.

With the 10% sale and 1-yr only warranty (can get more added), are there any actual reviews and usage to know if it is a good deal?

 

[ajw22]

I have not seen any reports of members having this HP.

I would inquire who local to you will provide warranty service or service after the warranty expires. And about parts availability.

It is not a good deal if when it breaks no one will service it or you cannot get parts to fix it.

 

[poolmagazine]

Very interested myself but have not tried it yet in my own backyard. I'm going to try and get my hands on one from the manufacturer to test.

 

[tradewinds]

I usually repair my own HVAC heat pumps (Trane), actually installed a couple MrCool Universal systems.

I'm not afraid of servicing them if overall the system is reliable. Mostly HPs just need capacitors replaced and if any refrigerant leaks to top up. Not sure if this uses refrigerant though.

Actually, since I have a 17k gal pool, this seems to be more in-line with size:

Energy-Saving ComforTemp Pool Heat Pump 95,000 BTU to Heat 18,000 Gallons

Economical, energy-saving, and fast-acting, the ComforTemp pool heat pump tops the market in craftsmanship and value. This model reduces costs by using an evaporation condenser built from corrosion-resistant titanium to compress warm, ambient air around your pool into hot water, instead of...

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[ajw22]

Not sure if this uses refrigerant though.

I'm sure it does.

What else would it use?

 

[tradewinds]

I'm sure it does.

What else would it use?

Come to think of it, yes...get the ambient heat out the air and then use that to heat an exchanger where the water passes through.
Most likely need a refrigerant of sort to do that.

 

[tradewinds]

Looks like the B&D are made by Blue Torrent, same maker of Comfortemp

 

[tradewinds]

 

[ajw22]

So to get warranty service and repair on a B+D Heat Pump you have to crate it up and ship it to their PUMP Repair Center in NY.

That does not sound like a warranty that has any value.

You buy it, you own it, and if it breaks it is your problem to get it fixed. If the price works for you under those terms then go for it.

 

[JoyfulNoise]

One of the biggest failure modes of heat pumps is the titanium heat exchanger but not from chemistry. There is usually a transition made from the titanium coil through the PVC water pipe to a copper/brass connection. This is typically very close to the expansion valve which means that transition sees a lot of thermal variation. We have seen a few examples of leaks forming there because the titanium to brass transition fails. Those kinds of failures are not easily repairable because you cannot simply weld titanium as it’s too reactive. People try to fix it with epoxies and glues but they never hold.

If you can get your eyeballs on one in the field then you can inspect them to see if the transition is done well.

 

[JamesW]

Companies like Black and Decker, Clorox and Jacuzzi do not make pool products.

They just license their name to various third parties because the name has some consumer recognition.

Many B&D products are made in China and imported by Blue Torrent Pool Products, which is owned by Island Recreational.

The heat pump is made by a contract manufacturer for Blue Torrent.

Hard to tell for sure who actually made it or where it was manufactured.

444 E 81ST ST. NEW YORK, NY 10028-5859.

1075 Hicksville Road. Seaford, NY 11783 USA.

 

[JamesW]

Black & Decker - Pool Pump Registration

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Blue Torrent Products - Island Recreational

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It’s made by Asia Connection LLC, which imports most products from China and it also makes Blue Torrent Pumps. They are also Island Recreational.

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Black + Decker Pool Pumps any good?

I am looking to replace a pool pump with a variable speed, and noticed Black + Decker has an option that is half the price of Hayward/Pentair. Does anyone have any experience with these? I was looking at the 3hp model. I believe they have a 2year warranty.

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[JamesW]

Anyone ever heard of these MFG?

Blue Torrent Pool Pumps Blue Torrent - ENERGY STAR - 1.5 HP - w/ 8 Variable Speed Pump Seems to be the same pump (because of model # as this one) Splash Pool Pumps Splash Pumps Variable Speed Energy Star Certified in Ground Pool Pump 1.5hp 220v | eBay I cant find any reliable review sites...

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[tradewinds]

So, giving the company behind this, it's a no-go or wait and see?

 

[Newdude]

So, giving the company behind this, it's a no-go or wait and see?

Island Rec has been a generic based company local to me since....... well.... ever. They've had some real winners over the years and the losers have still usually been fair for the cost. A great many have been happy with them one way or the other, so long as they went in eyes open.

 

[ajw22]

So, giving the company behind this, it's a no-go or wait and see?

What do you expect "the company" would do for you with what type of a problem?