Circupool RJ-45 Production Test

Pace Research Ltd. registered the Trademark "Circupool", which makes them the "manufacturer" of the Circupool line of products until they transferred the trademark to Pace Car Corp. which makes them the manufacturer.

It's a lot of legal machinations to confuse actual liability.

The trademark Circupool is owned by Pace Car Corp, which is owned by the same people who own Pace Research Ltd.

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CIRCUPOOL
Goods and Services
IC 011. US 013 021 023 031 034. G & S: Chlorine generators. FIRST USE: 20081013. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20081219
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code
(4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number
77732424
Filing Date
May 8, 2009
Current Basis
1A
Original Filing Basis
1A
Published for Opposition
November 24, 2009
Registration Number
3746240
Registration Date
February 9, 2010
Owner
(REGISTRANT) Pace Research Ltd. LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY TEXAS 40316 Hempstead Hwy. Waller TEXAS 77484
(LAST LISTED OWNER) PACE CAR CORP CORPORATION TEXAS 5730B GREENS ROAD HOUSTON TEXAS 77032
Assignment Recorded
ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record
David L. Clark
Type of Mark
TRADEMARK
Register
PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text
SECT 8 (6-YR). SECTION 8(10-YR) 20190509.
Renewal
1ST RENEWAL 20190509
Live/Dead Indicator
LIVE

https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4810:lr9g2h.3.2

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Warranty Information

Nearly all products sold by Discount Salt Pool carry a manufacturer warranty. If you feel you have a defective product, please refer to the warranty information packaged with your product. Please contact us if you require assistance.

Discount Salt Pool does not express or imply any warranties. All warranties are the responsibility of the manufacturer. Discount Salt Pool expressly disclaims liability for any injury, loss, damage, or cost (including labor) of any kind arising from the use or inability to use any item we sell. See also "Disclaimer of Warranties and Limitation of Liability".

Additionally, below is a selection of helpful information about warranties for most manufacturers and many products:

Most manufacturer warranties clearly express that warranty applies to defects in material and/or workmanship only, and cover only the replacement or repair of defective or missing parts.

Most chlorine generator warranties are limited warranties that reflect the consumable nature of the salt cell.

Labor is not included in most warranties, nor do manufacturers accept responsibility for loss of time, loss of use, inconvenience, incidental expenses or material charges.

Any shipping charges incurred in the execution of a warranty claim are the responsibility of the owner.

Warranties typically extend to the original retail owner only and may not be transferable.

Warranty periods typically begin on the date of purchase. Some manufacturers may start the warranty at the date of installation if it can be proven with an installation invoice or proof of installation date, see manufacturer details. If this information is not available, warranty periods typically will be dated from the date of manufacture.

For products that were shipped internationally, warranties are usually only valid if the manufacturer has a presence in the country where the products were shipped.
 
CircuPool SJ Series Electronic Chlorine Generators carry the following Limited Warranty should failure occur due to faulty manufacture or materials, during normal use and service. For residential use, the manufacturer warrants to the original purchaser that the equipment shall be free of manufacturer’s defects at the time of sale, and upon examination shall provide replacement parts in accordance with the following schedule: Year One - No charge for parts. Year Two - Parts supplied at 40% of base price. Year Three - Parts supplied at 60% of base price. For Commercial use (any pool that is not for private single-family use, or the use of which is subject to regulation), parts are warranted against defect for a period of one year. This limited warranty is subject to the following terms, conditions, and exclusions: 1. To obtain the benefits of this warranty, contact the warranty department for troubleshooting. You may obtain current contact information at www.circupool.com/help. Warranty claims must be initiated in a timely manner. Upon discovery of a defect, the warranty department will issue a Return Merchandise Authorization (RMA) and defective items and parts are to be shipped by customer to an authorized service representative, freight prepaid. Upon examination, the determination of the cause of failure shall be made solely by CircuPool Products. The date upon which the claim is submitted, and an RMA is issued shall solely serve to determine at what point the claim falls within the schedule of warranty proration, in comparison with the original purchase date. No packages will be accepted without a RMA number. 2. Should a defect in any item or part covered by the warranty become evident during the warranty's term, CircuPool Products will at its sole discretion repair or replace such item or part. CircuPool Products reserves the right to replace defective parts with new or refurbished parts. This warranty does not include the cost of labor or transportation charges for equipment or component parts to or from CircuPool Products, or the removal, reinstallation, or any such costs incurred in obtaining warranty replacements or repair. 3. This warranty extends to the original retail purchaser and original installation site only, beginning at the original date of purchase, and is non-transferrable. 4. The warranty contains the following exclusions. O-Rings, rubber gaskets and seals, electrical fuses, and circuit-breaker components are normal replacement items subject to wear and are excluded from the warranty. Product discoloration, or any other cosmetic or superficial damage or deterioration, regardless of its cause, is not covered by this warranty. The warranty is not applicable to problems arising from circumstances outside the control of CircuPool Products, including, but not limited to the following: A. Damage or premature wear due to improper pool chemistry, and failure to maintain pool water chemistry in accordance with the recommendations contained in the owner's manual. B. Damage due to improper installation or connection to improper voltages, including materials and workmanship supplied by others. C. Damage due to negligence or failure to properly maintain equipment, including operation with insufficient water flow or the maintenance of clean and tight electrical connections. D. Damage due to improper service, as well as unauthorized equipment modifications and use of non-genuine replacement parts. E. Damage due to misapplication, misuse, abuse, or failure to operate equipment as specified in the owner's manual. F. Problems resulting from tampering, accident, fire, flood, freezing, lightning, insects, or other natural elements, or other circumstances beyond the control of CircuPool Products. G. Damage due to over-tightening of threaded components or excessive pressure or stress. The liability of CircuPool Products shall not exceed the repair or replacement of defective items or parts under the referenced limited warranty terms. There are no implied warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose that apply to this equipment. Under no circumstances shall CircuPool Products, its agents, employees, and affiliates be liable for any loss, damage, injury, inconvenience or loss of time, incidental expenses such as labor and material charges, or any other incidental, or consequential damages, which may result from the use, installation, removal, or reinstallation of its equipment and parts. This warranty is valid only in the United States of America. This warranty gives you specific legal rights and you may also have other rights, which vary from state to state. This warranty supersedes all previous publications. Any dispute between the original purchaser and CircuPool Products will be settled by binding arbitration, conducted in Harris County, Texas, under the rules of the American Arbitration Association. CircuPool Products (888)-206-9938 www.circupool.com/help

 
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About Donald Uhle Jr.

As the CEO of Pace Research Ltd, Donald Uhle founded PoolBids in 1997 with two objectives: First, to provide homeowners with expert assistance in the acquisition and construction of residential swimming pools.

Secondly, to provide reputable swimming pool contractors with a reliable, cost-effective source of new clients.

Headquartered in Houston, Texas, PoolBids presently serves nearly two hundred pool builders in sixteen states.

Originally from Miami, Florida, Don is a graduate of Florida Atlantic University and has a background in advertising and market research.

He presently resides near Houston with his wife, Mary.

 
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Looks quite similar to my stats noted above. Each time it goes into Generating mode those numbers will change a bit. Like mine, the volts seem to be on the lower end of the acceptable range which might speak towards a weaker FC production rate, but your SWG is producing chorine.
So i just wanted to update you splash. I contacted discount salt aka CircuPool about an hour ago. I spoke with a tech by the name of Ashley on the phone. She was extremely knowledgeable and helpful.

I discussed the whole Amp and volts situation. More so the cell volts parameters. Not sure if this has been discussed but... she brought up a interesting point. The Cell volts "parameters" that are listed in the CircuPool manual, are for the factory set 240V.

Ashley made me aware, if the unit is running g on 110v, then the normal operating cell volts is anywhere from 19-27 sounds about right. I never took the voltage of the power source into consideration.

Also, as far as the salt readings from the unit. She explained that the unit does not have a specific feature that reads the salt perfectly. She explained it measures based on "polarity" through the cell. She said there's usually a 500ppm discrepancy that is within normal operating function.

She also advised that I invert my unit if I decide to run it on low speed, as I have noticed when I run it on low speed, the flow switch allows the water to pass through, however... the cells are not completely submerged in water. She also mentioned they recommend having the unit inverted as it will eliminate any bubbles or air build up. She also said they feel you get a more accurate reading from the unit when it's inverted.

Since mine is mounted on a straight horizontal run, I have the height clearance to invert it. I will give that a try later today or tomorrow.

I really feel she knew her stuff and educated me a bit. Hope this helps.
 
The Cell volts "parameters" that are listed in the CircuPool manual, are for the factory set 240V. Ashley made me aware, if the unit is running g on 110v, then the normal operating cell volts is anywhere from 19-27 sounds about right. I never took the voltage of the power source into consideration.
That is reassuring to know as I too have mine set-up for 110V. Good to hear she was able to entertain your questions a bit more from a technical nature. The man I spoke to didn't care to get into any of that which was a bit disappointing. Thanks for passing that info along. :goodjob:
 
The Cell volts "parameters" that are listed in the CircuPool manual, are for the factory set 240V.

Ashley made me aware, if the unit is running g on 110v, then the normal operating cell volts is anywhere from 19-27 sounds about right.
The supply voltage is irrelevant.

The transformer has two sets of primary windings that both get 120 volts and that gets transformed into about 24 volts AC at the secondary winding, which gets rectified into about 30 volts DC.

The colors from the top are Grey (G), Violet (V), White (W) and Blue (B) as shown in the picture.

The grey and violet wires go to one set of windings and the white and blue wires go to the other set of windings.

For a 240 supply, the windings are in series.

For a 120 volt supply, the windings are in parallel.

So, the output of the transformer is the same AC voltage either way.

The AC voltage gets rectified to DC volts and amps.

The DC volts should be about 30 to 32 volts when not generating and about 24 to 28 volts when generating due to voltage drop.

Normal voltage drop is about 1 volt per amp of current.

For example, if the voltage when not generating is 31 volts, the voltage when generating at 6 amps will be about (31 - 6 = 25 volts DC).

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It would be nice to see the manufacturer/distributor weigh in in this thread. They do have an online presence here - @circupool and maybe others too. DSP and Circupool are recommended here at TFP quite a bit. Knowing how they arrive at a specific rating for a cell and what the real life output is would certainly help when recommending their brand or choosing one for our personal use.
I don't think they will respond. In the lengthy thread I posted in the first couple of posts (this thread), they NEVER responded, even though there was great concern on the output claims of the Circupool brands.
 
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I was looking at Don Jr's (not that one...the Circupool one) pool and can't help but wonder if he uses a Circupool. Looks like his output may not be great, either. ;)

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What I can tell you, is it's 90° degrees here in NY with 75% humidity. Just checked my FC and I'm at 8ppm running the RJ45+ @40%

Just lowered her down to 35%

Id say even though my volts are on the low end, she's producing some respectable numbers.
 
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I was looking at Don Jr's (not that one...the Circupool one) pool and can't help but wonder if he uses a Circupool. Looks like his output may not be great, either.

Good question. CircuPool does a lot of testing before adding any new products and the toughest test of all is when I put each item on my own pool. My pool is difficult; all lined in natural rock, and 40% covered with debris-dropping live oak trees! The CORE unit was super easy to install, and has worked flawlessly since last summer. Coincidentally, mine is installed vertically.....no issues. It is even easier to observe the plate action and the flow switch this way. I like this unit!
 
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Normal voltage drop is about 1 volt per amp of current.

For example, if the voltage when not generating is 31 volts, the voltage when generating at 6 amps will be about (31 - 6 = 25 volts DC).
Thanks James, that is quite helpful for a simple reference. Even though some of our "Not Generating" volts may be slightly lower than what you show as ideal, the voltage drop of ~6 volts (1v per amp) coincides closely with our "Generating" volt numbers. As you said, not specifically relevant for cell FC production, but nice to know in this thread when others are troubleshooting their devices.
 
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Even though some of our "Not Generating" volts may be slightly lower than what you show as ideal
I suspect that the lower voltage is probably due to how they rectify into DC.

If you get a chance, measure the AC voltage from the transformer and put an oscilloscope on the DC voltage to see what the waveform looks like.
 
Since my FC has been holding quite well during the day, increasing slightly even, I decided to to one more GAIN test of 7 hours at 100% which according to PoolMath is supposed to provide about 3.9 FC. But as with some of my other overnight tests, it did not meet that goal and only increased by about 2.5. In my opinion Circupool is a bit generous in their advertised 2 lbs production for the RJ-45, but I'm still satisfied that my daily FC testing has stabilized at about 8 ppm. Sometimes I even see slow daily gains above that during some of our hottest times of the year in my area, so I'm lowering my output once again back to my previous year's 30% to see how that works.
 
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what is interesting is the recommended Salt levels. The Hayward is 2700-3400, while the Circupool recommends 3000-4000. Which would be the range to follow? Would higher salt increase amp and output at life expense? I have been targeting 3500 as a max and 3000 min to add another bag.
 
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About a month ago, during the course of doing all this swg performance testing, my salinity read 3000 average and swg performance was awful.

I did a salt test strip and it showed 2300. I added 600ppm salt. My next test strip showed 3400 salt and swg displayed 3800.

My swg output definitely improved with the higher salinity from ‘awful’ to merely ‘not good’. It definitely improved though
 
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Would higher salt increase amp and output at life expense?
Higher salinity or higher water temperature increases the amperage and the chlorine production output.

The cell life is determined by the total amount of chlorine produced.

As the cell produces chlorine, the plates are slowly degraded and they eventually wear out.

So, the cell should produce roughly the same amount of chlorine for total lifetime output whether you produce 0.5 lbs per day or 1.5 lbs per day.
 

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