what did I just see?? Details please!! Hiding this from husband for right now though LOL Don't want him to get any ideas!
South Florida - New In-ground Large Build
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what did I just see?? Details please!! Hiding this from husband for right now though LOL Don't want him to get any ideas!
John_and_Val
I deleted the two previous Load Center Relay Diagrams (Rev1 & Rev 2) due to a serious revision I needed to make. Guess what, I forgot the heaters
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Okay, here is the revised editions (with heaters).
I deleted the two previous Load Center Relay Diagrams (Rev1 & Rev 2) due to a serious revision I needed to make. Guess what, I forgot the heaters
.Okay, here is the revised editions (with heaters).
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Lol. I was just going to comment on that! good catch.
Question? What is the little box looking things that are around some of the line sides? Are those "wire nuts" joing wires? And then a pigtail to the breaker?
Question? I already have a surge protector on my meter. I also have on for the main panel in the garage. Do I need another one at the equipment pad?
Also, in regards to the NEMA enclosure for the Xfmrs - Would that have to be vented in any way - and if so - How?
Question? What is the little box looking things that are around some of the line sides? Are those "wire nuts" joing wires? And then a pigtail to the breaker?
Question? I already have a surge protector on my meter. I also have on for the main panel in the garage. Do I need another one at the equipment pad?
Also, in regards to the NEMA enclosure for the Xfmrs - Would that have to be vented in any way - and if so - How?
I could never have a keg... I'd drink way too much. I always hated the builds that had kegerators because my beer cup never seemed to get empty?
John_and_Val
As an example, here is how I incorporated the WAGO's in my Load Center. Also, how my SPD connects to it's own dedicated breaker.
r,
Pigtail to the breaker - YES. I don't really care for the typical wire nuts in certain applications. For my Load Center and my Line Voltage Junction Box, I prefered to use instead, "WAGO" Lever-Nuts connectors. They come in different conductor and wire gauge sizes. Better in many ways over the standard "wire nuts".
As an example, here is how I incorporated the WAGO's in my Load Center. Also, how my SPD connects to it's own dedicated breaker.
YES. For the proper surge protection, each Circuit Breaker Panel should have one. I think one will suffice for your two Load Centers (Main and Expansion).
The Nema 4 adds protection against directed water. However, you can purchase "Vent Kit's" for NEMA 4 enclosures.
r,
I am just thinking about all the transformers in a box. Wont heat buildup be an issue?
John_and_Val
It could. Not sure. I thought about that as well. But I was thinking that each individual transformer box is enclosed as well. I share the concern.
Options that I can think of, at this time:
1. Put all of the transformers in an approved enclosure and ventilate it (I even saw enclosures online with fans and even A/C's), if heat buildup will be or is projected to be an issue.
2. Have 14 individual transformer boxes mounted somewhere and have as many conduits/wires trying to feed into two Load Center Enclosures.
I can't think of any other options at this time. But I'm thinking about it.
r.
Addendum: Just a few examples There are more online!
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John_and_Val
I updated the Load Center(s)/Relay diagram (Rev4). I added the L1/L2 Lugs, Neutral and Ground Bus Bars. Makes it easier to see how that might all connect up (per our earlier discussion).
Here is a diagram (Conduit and Enclosure Layout), that might just illustrate how all the jigsaw pieces might fit together (a "one-over-the-world" view if you will). Just a draft (and a thought), but might bring some of this out of the "fog".
Hey Sir, just to be clear. I'm not an electrical engineer or a licensed electrician. These are just thoughts and ideas and should ALWAYS be ran by a professional, before wiring begins. He/she might see something that I don't or have better ideas than someone who is just an old retired guy .
Thanks!!
Let me know what you think.
r.
I updated the Load Center(s)/Relay diagram (Rev4). I added the L1/L2 Lugs, Neutral and Ground Bus Bars. Makes it easier to see how that might all connect up (per our earlier discussion).
Here is a diagram (Conduit and Enclosure Layout), that might just illustrate how all the jigsaw pieces might fit together (a "one-over-the-world" view if you will). Just a draft (and a thought), but might bring some of this out of the "fog".
Hey Sir, just to be clear
. I'm not an electrical engineer or a licensed electrician. These are just thoughts and ideas and should ALWAYS be ran by a professional, before wiring begins. He/she might see something that I don't or have better ideas than someone who is just an old retired guy .Thanks!!
Let me know what you think.
r.
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got it.....I understand the disclaimer!!!! LOL. I think everything you have done is way above and beyond what I would get from a licensed electrician!!! But I do know a couple of them and for sure would have them review it. Surprisingly the inspector for my city even told me if I have any questions, to set up an appointment with him. I think the inspectors know that yes, I am doing owner/builder (which the hate), but I am not building this pool like a novice. So it helps. I will study these updates and get back!
Thank you again.
@kimkats The unit is made by "Bottom's Up" Beer Company. I bought 2 of them. One for the bar (which you saw) and just on the other side of the wall for the bar I will build for the pool area.
Thank you again.
@kimkats The unit is made by "Bottom's Up" Beer Company. I bought 2 of them. One for the bar (which you saw) and just on the other side of the wall for the bar I will build for the pool area.
- Jul 21, 2013
- 66,296
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
@MyAZPool what software are you using for the Intellicenter planning? I am beginning to think about what I want to do.
@ajw22
Hi Allen,
I don't have anything fancy at all (that is why it looks a bit hokey).
Just a combination of Microsoft Visio, Powerpoint and Snagit Editor.
I think there a lot more "freeware" type programs, that may do the same thing and look a bit better, but I guess I don't want to take the time to learn them.
I tried a few but did not get the results I was looking for. So I just went back to "what I know" and just used copy and paste techniques to illustrate all of the equipment etc.
Hope this helps a bit.
Really looking forward to seeing your new IntelliCenter layout. Please let me know if I can help in any way.
All the best,
r.
Hi Allen,
I don't have anything fancy at all (that is why it looks a bit hokey).
Just a combination of Microsoft Visio, Powerpoint and Snagit Editor.
I think there a lot more "freeware" type programs, that may do the same thing and look a bit better, but I guess I don't want to take the time to learn them.
I tried a few but did not get the results I was looking for. So I just went back to "what I know" and just used copy and paste techniques to illustrate all of the equipment etc.
Hope this helps a bit.
Really looking forward to seeing your new IntelliCenter layout. Please let me know if I can help in any way.
All the best,
r.
@MyAZPool
In regards to wiring and relays, does anything change in regards to whether i have the PS panel or P panel?
In regards to wiring and relays, does anything change in regards to whether i have the PS panel or P panel?
John_and_Val
The differences that I am aware of is that with the PS model, there is a RETURN and an INTAKE 3-pin Valve Actuator Socket (that you may or may not use. Like I said earlier, I don't use mine and I have a spa.) The rest of the differences I believe are in the logic/programming.
r.
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- Jul 21, 2013
- 66,296
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
John_and_Val
YES....
"Intake" is a term that is typically used by Pentair and others to describe where the water that enters the pump originates from. I prefer the term "suction", because for me anyway, it is more descriptive but whatever.
As I alluded to in the earlier post, the "PS" model has both a RETURN and an INTAKE (suction) 3-pin Valve Actuator Sockets on the daughter (or Optional Personality) card, for use with a RETURN and INTAKE (suction) valve actuators. It is not required to use these two 3-pin Valve Actuator Sockets however (I don't). But most who do have a Pool/Spa combo, DO in fact, use this feature. Also, there are a few that do not have a Spa that use the "PS" model as a work-around for some other particular setup.
This feature is incorporated on the "PS" model to "normally":
1. Control if the water that is suctioned (Intake) into the pump, is from the Pool or from the Spa. Those can be from a main drain or from a skimmer typically.
2. Control if the water that is returned (Return) from the filtration system goes to the Pool or goes to the Spa.
When in "Pool Mode", water is suctioned from the pool and returned to the pool.
When in "Spa Mode", water is suctioned from the spa and returned to the spa.
Here is a basic/generic Pool/Spa setup that hopefully helps to illustrate the concept.
Background illustration courtesy of Jandy.com
The "P" MODEL has no such 3-pin Valve Actuator Sockets (RETURN & INTAKE (or Spa relay socket for that matter)) on the daughter card as illustrated below. It is normally used in setups that do NOT have a spa.
Hope I didn't confuse this issue too much with too much information, but I wanted to try and give you the "whole story" as I see it. Please remember a PS daughter card DOES NOT prevent you from using it in your Pool Only setup if you feel you want to. Maybe you might find it useful. I don't know?
All the best.
r.
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So, theoretically, I could use the "return" pin socket........but not the intake?
and i am still a little perplexed on how to run plumbing to heaters?
I am going to order the expansion board (with load center) and gas heater later today. I will try to get an answer out of Polytec and I will also call Pentair.
Maybe we can compare answers!!!
Off to pour the equipment pad
and i am still a little perplexed on how to run plumbing to heaters?
I am going to order the expansion board (with load center) and gas heater later today. I will try to get an answer out of Polytec and I will also call Pentair.
Maybe we can compare answers!!!
Off to pour the equipment pad
John_and_Val
r.
You "could"...
The UltraTemp Heat Pump Installation and User's Guide addresses how a HEAT PUMP and a Gas HEATER combo should be plumbed together as illustrated below. Disregard the fact that there is no Heater Bypass valve in the illustration.
Okay and see post#209 of this thread for the model #'s regarding the Pentair IntelliCenter Load Center (NO IC XFMR) and IntelliCenter i10x Expansion Kit.
Sounds good. Have fun.
r.
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@MyAZPool
Couldn't I use the spa portion of the "PS" model for my sitting area? Treat it as a spa and use the "return" actuator to change the valve from pool returns to spa jets?
I know I wouldnt need the "intake" side of it.
Just thinking about it while my pad is setting!
Let me know
Couldn't I use the spa portion of the "PS" model for my sitting area? Treat it as a spa and use the "return" actuator to change the valve from pool returns to spa jets?
I know I wouldnt need the "intake" side of it.
Just thinking about it while my pad is setting!
Let me know