Leak issue, looking for advice on how to proceed.

I hired a leak detection company that detected a leak in the return lines without specifying where the leak might be. Their solution is to run new returns coming close to 10k after tax.

I don't have this kind of money, and I also think it's unreasonable.

I have a rather obvious area where the water pools and causes the liner to bubble, I dug there and tunneled under the deck and found nothing.

Then I moved to the closer return, cut the deck and started digging. This pipe goes so deep and I think I'm close but it's getting more difficult to keep going deeper. And frankly a little less safe. Now I'm basically level with the pool ground and the pipe still goes down, I assume for another few inches but at this point I'm not sure. The ground seems to be flat at that point and I noticed a plastic film around the pipe I'm hoping that shows in the last picture.

Looking for advice on the best solution here and whether it's worth it to keep digging vs running new lines myself.

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Help me choose a robot

I started looking for robots, and most seem to recommend a Dolphin model. But I'm starting to get lost. There are a lot of models and it's hard to differentiate between them. For example, their site recommends either the Nautilus CC Plus or Triton PS Plus but I can't figure out what the main differences are.

I've got a 20k gallon kidney shaped pool and want something that will do the most cleaning with the least effort. I'll pay whatever I have to, but I don't want to pay for extra stuff I don't want or need.

Any recs or experiences are appreciated.
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Hello from South Carolina

Hey y'all!

I just purchased an above ground pool - yay! Neither my husband and I are new to pools, so we *think* we know what to do once it gets installed. But we need some advice about the installation. The area of our yard that is sunniest and most level also has these exposed tree roots. The other place in our yard that has enough space is about a 5% grade. So either way, this isn't going to be an easy, straight-forward install.

I would have no problem losing a tree to get rid of these roots, but they are in the middle of 4 different trees, all the same size, so I have no idea which one(s) they go to. Anyone have any advice for dealing with them in another way so they don't damage the liner? I know what's entailed in installing on the grade, and that location is the least desirable for a few different reasons. (The grade, not getting much sun, being under a tree that drops 100 leaves if it feels the slightest hint of a breeze.) That being said, it was the location we initially planned on when we bought the pool so we knew what we were signing up for. But if anyone has any ideas that might make it possible to install where the roots are, it would be much appreciated!

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First time pool/spa owner

Hello everyone! Our inground pool and spa combo are almost complete. I’m expecting to fill it for the first time in the next couple of weeks, and we are excited! Any tips and suggestions are most certainly welcome. We did have an SWG installed during the build. I’ll be sure to read the ABCs of pool chemistry and get up to speed. Any suggestions regarding pool water tester to purchase? I look forward to interacting with you and learning all about pool maintenance.

RJ-45 Low Salt/Cell Maint keeps turning on

We have a circupool RJ-45 that we installed in 2019. Things have been ok until this season. The system will run a few weeks and then the Lo Salt/Cell Maintenance lights come on and stop chlorine production. We clean the cell and then get a few more weeks.

Yesterday after a week of no swimming, we discovered the pool was slightly cloudy and no chlorine (I’ve been checking levels about once a week). The lights are on again, we do another cleaning. Then this morning, the water is even cloudier and 0 chlorine still. I cleaned the cell again and I shocked the pool and checked my chemicals.

The Taylor salt reading is 3500 while the RJ-45 is showing an average of 2300. I added 4 bags of salt just to be safe. I then watched as I would turn the system off and about 3 min later lo salt would flash for a few seconds and then the cell maintenance light goes on and the unit stops production.

Do I need to wait longer for the salt to circulate? But also why would there be such a discrepancy in the readings? And if it’s just low salt, why is the cell maintenance light flashing? Would it be possible that we need to replace this after 3.5 seasons? We run the unit on 40% 24hr (no automation 😏) for roughly 3 months a year.

2024 Annual Donation Campaign

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I know,I know.. - vinyl pool liner replacement

7 year old inground pool. Liner is faded and worn. (seems premature but who knows).

Need a replacement and getting so many conflicting stories.

* worth getting a thinker liner than 28 M?
* some contractors asking if I have a template? (I have no idea what that is)
* pricing about 6-8k? Seems reasonable?
* This one was very faded very quickly - one guy telling e its the chlorine level (saltwater pool) I have a maintenance guy - is that possible?
* Is this a good time to replace the light while the pool is drained?


I hate knowing zero about this thing.

IC40 replacement

Hello,
I just joined the forum due to abudance of the knowledge here...
I'm new to my pool, purchased the property a couple years ago.
Pool was installed in 2017, Pentair system.
I have a pool guy (through a company) who services the pool once a week.
He mentioned the salt water unit IC40 is end of life (6 years), and needs to be replaced.
He quoted me 1600 + labor.
I looked at pentair website, and under the list of the dealers I could get the unit for ~1k
I wonder if it's worth asking them to replace it vs I try it myself...

I appreciate any feedback regrading this task

Jandy power pack parts

Hi all! We had our pool built about four years ago and I just replaced my Jandy Truclear salt system. I was receiving a check cell error. And when I unscrewed the cell line from the power pack there were no pins left. They had corroded into the female end in the power pack. So I replaced everything. I just completed the removal and install and everything is working splendidly. However, I wanted to get to the bottom of what went wrong. I opened the old power pack and everything looked great except the piece where you plug in the salt cell. It is really corroded.
I have two questions; first did I do something wrong that I need to correct to keep the new power pack from corroding that piece and second; can I get just that piece cause it looks like that is all I would need to have a backup power pack.
Thanks for any advice.

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Is my finish coming off? Strange blue color found

Hi
A few weeks ago my pool tech noted a swirl of blue color appeared after added chlorine and then some bicarb. Apparently it disappeared pretty quickly. After my swim last night I was q-tipping my ear canal and a blue color came off onto the qtip. My pool finish is blue and I'm worried its starting to come up. Is there a test I can run to confirm or deny this is happening? If so, is it hazardous?

Thanks,
TB

lo chlorine high ph

16000 gal vinyl liner pool, just had 2nd liner put in this spring after 15 years. Having problem keeping chlorine levels steady. Ph also creeps up after a few days. My alk is 121,,,CH a little low at 144...CYA steady at 45. I use liquid chlorine as the tabs raise the CYA over time. Never had this issue before once I got levels balanced at start up no issues thru the summer. Any ideas out there Problem is chlorine does not hold even for 24 hrs Ph climbs even though ALK is ok????

Pentair intellicenter control system offline

Hi all, my intellicenter2 app has been offline for 3 days. The usual unplug the receiver inside the house and plug it back in usually does the trick, but not this time.
I went out to the control system in the backyard to check the wifi connection. However, it’s not letting me. The screen says no Ethernet detected. It’s not giving me a wireless option. Help!

Sanity check on multi-valve repairs

I've been having issues with water leaking out of waste hose. I saw online that it is usually an issue with the spider gasket so I ordered the part and went to repair. When I opened up the valve I noticed that the gasket was on the underside of the piece that is pulled off and not inside the valve like I was expecting. I then noticed that the underside of the piece reads SP0714 instead of the SP0715 that was on the top of the valve.

I'm suspecting that the previous owner may have stuck a SP0715 sticker onto the SP0714. I bought the SP0715D and the shape of it is inside as seen in the first picture. But there's no gasket there currently and there's no notches for it to be seated. In the second pic is what I'm assuming is the actual piece I'm supposed to be replacing.

I just wanted to double check I'm not confusing two different gaskets and both are necessary or something. Because not too sure why it's labeled wrong on the outside of the valve.

Edit: Also bonus question: It seems like Hayward doesn't sell the SP0714 spider gasket separately. It comes stamped into the piece. There's third parties selling the gasket separate. Should those be good enough or should I stick with genuine part?

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New filtration system

Hello all, I have a pretty straight forward setup. I upgraded to a vs pump about 2 years or so ago. I’m now looking to change up the filtration system. I’m over this cartridge cleaning, and im finding some blow back, I’ve tried new filters making sure they are seated well but no luck. The filter housing is probably at least 15 years old. Perhaps that’s the issue.

My question is where should I start to explore? The gentleman at my local pool supply talked about a glass filter system.
What about adding a SWG?

Whatever suggestions you have are appreciated. I’m not versed on the equipment side of things. Also Polaris booster is getting the boot. I purchased robot cleaner after replacing the booster pump multiple times. I would also note the floor drain is capped. Only using the skimmer. Pool was built in the 70s. I’m in south texas with weeks on end of 100+ temp looking to be the norm.
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Filter Housing Leak...or not?

Went past the pool equipment shortly after the pump turned on in the morning and noticed that the filter housing was leaking around the middle where the metal band/clamp/seal is. Not a lot of water, but a steady few drops. I assumed that I needed to adjust the clamp/gasket. So I went back later in the day, while the pump is still running, and now everything around the filter housing is bone dry as though there wasn't a leak. The last time I touched this gasket and clamp was when I cleaned the filters maybe two months ago. Didn't notice any leak at the time.

Is this a normal thing to happen during start up? Maybe before it reaches full pressure? Though when I saw the water this morning the system was already at full pressure.

It's a mystery. Any thoughts?

Considering SWG - Advice Appreciated

I have what I believe is approximately 28k pool. Have been looking at circupool core55. I see it seems recommended size is "at least 2x".

1) So, would the core 55 work ok for 28k? I'm in Houston, so pretty brutal heat. Plus my neighbor has tons of trees that drop alot of stuff.

2) currently I use mix of pucks and liquid chlorine. Obviously, would no longer use pucks at all, but during mid summer, can I still on occasion use liquid chlorine for shock (ideally wouldn't even need to)?

3) I already use a lot of acid for ph. Will SWg increase acid use to keep pH down?


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Help with new generator

I’m pretty sure my generator’s cell is bad. It’s a Hayward Goldline, t-cell 15.
It was here when we bought the house over 5 years ago, and it looked a few years old then.
The computer is saying “inspect cell”, solid light and not flashing…and this time it won’t let me reset the indicator, and it’s obviously not doing its job. Been giving me trouble all year, actually.
I’m going to check the thermistor tomorrow, but I’m pretty sure that’s not it.
My question for the pros is: Should I just buy a new cell? I know it’s a pretty old system, but it’s always seemed to work well. Not sure if it’s obsolete, but the price of the cell has near doubled since the last time I bought one.
Or is there a better, newer system I should consider, seeing as how this is the same thing that was put on my first pool (different house) in 2003.

Troubleshooting Dolphin S300 "DC In Voltage" error

My Dolphin S300 is acting up. Runs for about 10-30 seconds in cleaning mode, but runs perfectly fine driving it manually. I noticed an error message in the app that says "DC In Voltage". I checked the impeller for any obstructions, but it was clear.

I stumbled upon this troubleshooting guide (How to Troubleshoot a Dolphin Pool Cleaner - INYOPools.com), however the part about the PSU seems to be for an old model. Mine has 4 pins with voltages ranging from 7-29V depending on which pins I test. Does anyone know the correct voltages on the power connector to the robot or could test measure their working one for me?

On mine, I get
1-2: 17.2V
1-3: 12.1V
1-4: 9.6V
2-3: 29.4V
2-4: 7.5V
3-4: 21.8V

Pavers around skimmer have either calcium or is it efflorescence?

I noticed some of the white stuff on these pavers they it appeared to go away. Then we had a big rain and my pool was fuller than normal and in the area of the calcium the pavers felt damp. I drained a bit out of the pool and the dampness left but the calcium or efflorescence expanded. So what do you think it is? A Leak?

Thank you

Kevin

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Glacier Pool Chiller Install help

Hello, I was able to buy this cooler from someone selling it, but it's missing the sump pump with the plumbing. Can someone provide some pictures of how the sump pump is plumbed in these units, please? Also, when checking the install diagram, why is the output of the chiller connected to the incoming skimmer line instead of the return line? I won't have a dedicated return line for it. Can someone explain to me how that makes sense to plumb it like this?

Wybot Osprey Float inserts?

Received our new Wybot Osprey 700 a couple days ago.

Climbs the walls just fine.
However, it can not make it up the steep hill of the pool floor in the deep end.
Husband says there’s reference in the directions to insert the provided “floats” to help with this, but the picture isn’t clear as to WHERE to insert them.

Could someone provide a better description or photo of where the floats go?

Pentair air relief valve broke off - temporary PVC alternative to run pool while new part arrives?

Have a pentair cartridge filter - relief valve (part 98209800) on top snapped where the threads enter the filter. I was able to extract the remaining threaded section from the filter top.

I'm going to order/install a new valve but have a pool party tomorrow and want a PVC option from home depot to plug the hole temporarily. Does anyone know the official diameter/thread size and if there's any issue with doing this? I can eyeball it but don't want to mess up the threads on the filter top if i'm wrong.

thanks

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Afternoon Disaster - Wind Storm

Well shoot. After a bunch of yard work I decided to take a quick nap. Then I woke up to this. Must've been a heck of a hot, windy updraft to lift two tables off the ground. The table in the middle had a brown glass top. Glass all over the decking, in those planters, and of course in the pool. So much for a relaxing Sunday afternoon.

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Anyway I can get by with 1/2" polystyrene insulation board + tarp as base

Anybody get by on a 1/2" polystyrene board + tarp?

I grabbed a new 12x24 for a great price and I will feel weird if I spent nearly the same on the base. I've read many forums, so I plan to level the ground and use pavers on feet and etc.... As with prices of most things you know material cost has gone up. I know having a pool is not a necessity and plan to spend some money.

The board will be $0.32/sqft while those mats at harbor freight are $0.63/sqft. I plan to install directly on the ground no sand/rock layer.

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