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=Circupool SWG=
 
=Circupool SWG=
 
Circupool is a popular SWG brand due to their competitive pricing and warranty allowing DIY installation.  Reports are they also have good tech support and the office is staffed by cordial, friendly people.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj-review.184304/post-1626661</ref>
 
Circupool is a popular SWG brand due to their competitive pricing and warranty allowing DIY installation.  Reports are they also have good tech support and the office is staffed by cordial, friendly people.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj-review.184304/post-1626661</ref>
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==SJ Series==
 
==SJ Series==
 
*The SJ is a basic model with only 25% increments for % generation.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/comparing-pureline-vs-circupool-swgs.176281/post-1555329</ref>  That may not provide fine enough % control if you get an oversize cell.  You will need to use runtime to make finer adjustments to cell chlorine output.
 
*The SJ is a basic model with only 25% increments for % generation.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/comparing-pureline-vs-circupool-swgs.176281/post-1555329</ref>  That may not provide fine enough % control if you get an oversize cell.  You will need to use runtime to make finer adjustments to cell chlorine output.
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*The SJ series cell must be mounted horizontally and 6" above the highest plumbing point, which limits installation options. The design and positioning of the cell allows for air pockets to form on the top portion of the cell, exposing the plates, particularly when running at lower speeds.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-swg.267676/post-2360109</ref><ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/vertical-installation-of-circupool-sj-35-swcg.279726/post-2451454</ref>
  
 
===SJ Models===
 
===SJ Models===
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*SJ55 - 55,000 gallons - 2.30 lbs/day Chlorine
 
*SJ55 - 55,000 gallons - 2.30 lbs/day Chlorine
  
==RJ Series==
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==RJ Plus Series==
 
*The RJ has more precise % increments of 5% than the SJ series increments of 25%.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/comparing-pureline-vs-circupool-swgs.176281/post-1555329</ref>
 
*The RJ has more precise % increments of 5% than the SJ series increments of 25%.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/comparing-pureline-vs-circupool-swgs.176281/post-1555329</ref>
  
===RJ Models===
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===RJ Plus Models===
 
*RJ16+ - 15,000 gallons - 0.70 lbs/day Chlorine
 
*RJ16+ - 15,000 gallons - 0.70 lbs/day Chlorine
 
*RJ20+ - 20,000 gallons - 0.90 lbs/day Chlorine
 
*RJ20+ - 20,000 gallons - 0.90 lbs/day Chlorine
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*When the generating light is off, that means it's in the off portion of the cycle and it will not show salinity. Salinity will be displayed only when the generating light is green. You can always bump up the percentage momentarily and it'll turn on. At that point you will have a choice to see the average or the actual salinity. It has to generate for a few minutes before any of the salinity info there is meaningful.
 
*When the generating light is off, that means it's in the off portion of the cycle and it will not show salinity. Salinity will be displayed only when the generating light is green. You can always bump up the percentage momentarily and it'll turn on. At that point you will have a choice to see the average or the actual salinity. It has to generate for a few minutes before any of the salinity info there is meaningful.
 
*The RJ60+ control box has an internal fan that sometimes fails.<ref> https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/another-circupool-fan-failure.209245/ </ref>
 
*The RJ60+ control box has an internal fan that sometimes fails.<ref> https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/another-circupool-fan-failure.209245/ </ref>
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===Circupool RJ Plus 10 PSI Limitation===
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RJ Plus Cells now have a label that says "Maximum 10 PSI - Avoid over-pressurization of this device!"
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[[File:Circupool RJ Cell 10PSI Warning.jpg|thumb]]
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The filter pressure PSI is not the correct measure of PSI at the SWG cell.
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The PSI warning relates to pressure at the salt cell, down-stream of the filter where the typical pressure is 1-3 lbs. The water at the cell is flowing directly into the pool with very little resistance. It has nothing to do with the pressure on the filter gauge, upstream of the filter media and heaters and naturally quite a bit higher.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj-30-install-questions-pump-pressure-also-possible-electrical-issue.163282/post-1472704</ref>
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The purpose of the warning is to avoid the closure of any valves that may be after the salt cell, such as diverter valves for spas, waterfalls, etc. that can raise pressure at the SWG cell.
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Pools with an IFCS (In Floor Cleaning System) can have return output pressures of 15-20 PSI and exceed Circupool's warning. Some members with Circupool SWG and IFCS have said they have not had a problem.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupools-swg-10-psi-warning-label.271136/post-2382957</ref> Or you may want to consider a different SWG that does not have a PSI limitation if you have an IFCS.
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In [https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupools-swg-10-psi-warning-label.271136/post-2383022 this post] a member has confirmed with Circupool that normal operating PSIs inside the salt cells of up to 20PSI (due to IFCS) will NOT invalidate any warranty.
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===RJ45+ High Water Temperature Error===
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The RJ45+, and maybe the other RJ cells, have the water temperature sensor in the cell. Members have had the system begin giving a High Temp error.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj-45-plus-reads-high-temp-no-chlorine-generated.231716/post-2073336</ref>
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The board has a jumper that will change the temperature sensor from the cell to the flow switch. If your flow switch does not have a temperature sensor the system will default to 77F and the salinity calculation will be a bit off.
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[[File:Circupool RJ45 Temp Jumper.jpg|frameless]]
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Replacing the flow switch with a combination flow switch and temperature sensor will restore the proper temperature sensing and salinity calculations. One simple way to tell if your flow switch has the temperature sensor or not is the thickness of the wire.
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[[File:SWG Flowswitch wire size.jpg|frameless]]
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===RJ60 Low Temperature Shutdown Not Resetting===
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A member reports that his RJ60+ runs fine in the daytime, but overnight the current pump cycle turns completely off for about 6 hours and the water temp in the piping gets into the 40s/50s. The RJ60 throws a low temp error as expected, but once the temps warm up back into the 60s, the low temp error stays and the system won't run.
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He spoke with a person at DSP and was told that once the low temp flag is set the unit will not self-recover and the power must be cycled to reset it.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj-60-low-temperature-warning-will-not-auto-reset.227007/post-1990929</ref>
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If you have your SWG connected to a timer so the SWG is powered off when the pump is off, as TFP recommends for safety, you should not see this problem unless the pool water is cold when your pump and SWG turns on.
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===Diagnostics===
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Menu: Press sequentially to cycle through the following information:​
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#Pool Temperature (xx degrees Fahrenheit or Celsius)​
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#Cell Voltage (often 21.0 to 27.0 volts when chlorine is being generated, otherwise 16-31V)​
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#Cell Current (often 2.50 to 7.80 amps when chlorine is being generated, otherwise 0 amps during normal rest cycles.)​
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#Real-Time Salinity reading ( xxxx PPM or x.x grams/Liter.)​
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#System ID​
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#Software revision level​
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#Cell Version.​
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===Circupool RJ Series Salinity===
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Discount Salt pools has said the following:
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''Like the Hayward, the Rj System measures salinity by determining the level of conductivity in the water. Anything that affects conductivity can trigger a low salt/check cell indicator. Some examples include low salt, dirty cell, air trapped in the cell or low water temperature. All of these things must be aligned in order for the system to calculate an estimated salinity level. Also, ensure 'cell type' setting has not been changed. Customers often unknowingly change the cell type altering the salinity level which in turn can also trigger a warning light. Any solid warning lights will shut off amps to the cell, meaning no chlorine production.''<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj45-low-salt-and-check-cell-light-on.290161/post-2546278</ref>
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They recommend going through the items on [https://www.discountsaltpool.com/effective-troubleshooting-for-salt-chlorine-generator-problems-tips-and-solutions this page] before replacing the cell.
  
 
==CORE Series==
 
==CORE Series==
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===EDGE Features===
 
===EDGE Features===
 
*The Edge has LED lights to give you information
 
*The Edge has LED lights to give you information
*SWG % adjustment is in 25% increments
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*SWG % adjustment is in 12.5% increments
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*When you set it to 50% it runs at 50% power and does not cycle at 100% for half the time and then off like most other US SWGs
 
*There is a separate flow switch to be mounted before the cell
 
*There is a separate flow switch to be mounted before the cell
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*The Edge doesn’t have an internal fan
 
*The Control Module is a separate unit that can be placed in a bit more controlled environment then the CORE Series.
 
*The Control Module is a separate unit that can be placed in a bit more controlled environment then the CORE Series.
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===Circupool Edge Union Leaks===
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Members are finding a union may have a loose fit and leak or pop off when tightened.
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The fix discussed in [https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-edge-union-leaks.270563/ Circupool Edge union leaks] has been to put a 4" worm hose clamp around the union to compress it and create a tighter fit around the threads.
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[[File:Circupool Edge Union Clamped.jpg|thumb]]
  
 
==Circupool Vertical Installation==
 
==Circupool Vertical Installation==
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*Hydrogen gas needs an oxidizer to burn. Usually, the oxidizer is oxygen, but there's no oxygen available.
 
*Hydrogen gas needs an oxidizer to burn. Usually, the oxidizer is oxygen, but there's no oxygen available.
 
*There's no oxygen, but the chlorine is a better oxidizer than oxygen and produces a faster reaction.
 
*There's no oxygen, but the chlorine is a better oxidizer than oxygen and produces a faster reaction.
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==Circupool Universal 40 Humming / Whirring Sound==
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The Universal 40 and maybe other models have a fan inside. The sound corresponds to the fan spinning up and slowing down and the sound appeared to be coming from the fan. Removing the 4 screws holding the fan in place and turning it back on quieted the sound.
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The fan is mounted to the housing over a vent to external air with a mesh screen 'sandwiched' between the fan and vent opening. The mesh screen became loose over time and the fan blades were rubbing against the mesh screen.
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If you remount the fan with the 4 screws and back-off 2 of the screws a quarter turn and that can be enough to prevent the sound.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-humming-whirring-sound.262704/</ref>
  
  
 
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Latest revision as of 17:28, 10 April 2024


Circupool SWG

Circupool is a popular SWG brand due to their competitive pricing and warranty allowing DIY installation. Reports are they also have good tech support and the office is staffed by cordial, friendly people.[1]

Note all gallons and chlorine output below assume the cell is running at 100% 24/7.

Circupool may include a sticker that says "10 PSI max". That is not your filter pressure. They are talking about a differential pressure between the input to the cell and the output of the cell. Since one side of the cell is basically the pool, you will not see anything close to 10 lbs.[2] The only situation where the pressure in a cell would be higher than 10 psi is if you have an in-floor cleaning system.

SJ Series

  • The SJ is a basic model with only 25% increments for % generation.[3] That may not provide fine enough % control if you get an oversize cell. You will need to use runtime to make finer adjustments to cell chlorine output.
  • The SJ series cell must be mounted horizontally and 6" above the highest plumbing point, which limits installation options. The design and positioning of the cell allows for air pockets to form on the top portion of the cell, exposing the plates, particularly when running at lower speeds.[4][5]

SJ Models

  • SJ15 - 15,000 gallons - 0.65 lbs/day Chlorine
  • SJ20 - 20,000 gallons - 0.87 lbs/day Chlorine
  • SJ40 - 40,000 gallons - 1.60 lbs/day Chlorine
  • SJ55 - 55,000 gallons - 2.30 lbs/day Chlorine

RJ Plus Series

  • The RJ has more precise % increments of 5% than the SJ series increments of 25%.[6]

RJ Plus Models

  • RJ16+ - 15,000 gallons - 0.70 lbs/day Chlorine
  • RJ20+ - 20,000 gallons - 0.90 lbs/day Chlorine
  • RJ30+ - 30,000 gallons - 1.50 lbs/day Chlorine
  • RJ45+ - 40,000 gallons - 2.00 lbs/day Chlorine
  • RJ60+ - 60,000 gallons - 3.10 lbs/day Chlorine

Extending the RJ+ Power Cord

The CircuPool RJ+ units come with a power cord that is about 48 inches long. If you need to replace the cord with a longer cord see the Installing a longer power cord in a CircuPool RJ+ thread.

RJ+ Features

  • When installing the RJ45+, according to the manual, the average salinity will read what was measured at the factory. It takes 24 hours of pool operation for the average to update.[7]
  • If you get low salt and low flow red lights try rotating the cell with the offset down[8]
  • Blinking flow indicator may be caused by a power interruption.
  • The RJ series stops generating when water temperature is below 60 degrees. A member reports that the got various TEMP messages during the winter and when the water temperature got into the 70s the cell did not automatically begin generating. He had to press the On/Off toggle button to turn the CircuPool SWG to off and back on to get it reset and generating chlorine. We recommend turning the SWG off when water temperature drops below 60F during the winter.[9]
  • If the control unit doesn't clear faults by being switched off turn the circuit breaker Off and On.
  • When the generating light is off, that means it's in the off portion of the cycle and it will not show salinity. Salinity will be displayed only when the generating light is green. You can always bump up the percentage momentarily and it'll turn on. At that point you will have a choice to see the average or the actual salinity. It has to generate for a few minutes before any of the salinity info there is meaningful.
  • The RJ60+ control box has an internal fan that sometimes fails.[10]

Circupool RJ Plus 10 PSI Limitation

RJ Plus Cells now have a label that says "Maximum 10 PSI - Avoid over-pressurization of this device!"

Circupool RJ Cell 10PSI Warning.jpg

The filter pressure PSI is not the correct measure of PSI at the SWG cell.

The PSI warning relates to pressure at the salt cell, down-stream of the filter where the typical pressure is 1-3 lbs. The water at the cell is flowing directly into the pool with very little resistance. It has nothing to do with the pressure on the filter gauge, upstream of the filter media and heaters and naturally quite a bit higher.[11]

The purpose of the warning is to avoid the closure of any valves that may be after the salt cell, such as diverter valves for spas, waterfalls, etc. that can raise pressure at the SWG cell.

Pools with an IFCS (In Floor Cleaning System) can have return output pressures of 15-20 PSI and exceed Circupool's warning. Some members with Circupool SWG and IFCS have said they have not had a problem.[12] Or you may want to consider a different SWG that does not have a PSI limitation if you have an IFCS.

In this post a member has confirmed with Circupool that normal operating PSIs inside the salt cells of up to 20PSI (due to IFCS) will NOT invalidate any warranty.

RJ45+ High Water Temperature Error

The RJ45+, and maybe the other RJ cells, have the water temperature sensor in the cell. Members have had the system begin giving a High Temp error.[13]

The board has a jumper that will change the temperature sensor from the cell to the flow switch. If your flow switch does not have a temperature sensor the system will default to 77F and the salinity calculation will be a bit off.

Circupool RJ45 Temp Jumper.jpg

Replacing the flow switch with a combination flow switch and temperature sensor will restore the proper temperature sensing and salinity calculations. One simple way to tell if your flow switch has the temperature sensor or not is the thickness of the wire.

SWG Flowswitch wire size.jpg

RJ60 Low Temperature Shutdown Not Resetting

A member reports that his RJ60+ runs fine in the daytime, but overnight the current pump cycle turns completely off for about 6 hours and the water temp in the piping gets into the 40s/50s. The RJ60 throws a low temp error as expected, but once the temps warm up back into the 60s, the low temp error stays and the system won't run.

He spoke with a person at DSP and was told that once the low temp flag is set the unit will not self-recover and the power must be cycled to reset it.[14]

If you have your SWG connected to a timer so the SWG is powered off when the pump is off, as TFP recommends for safety, you should not see this problem unless the pool water is cold when your pump and SWG turns on.

Diagnostics

Menu: Press sequentially to cycle through the following information:​

  1. Pool Temperature (xx degrees Fahrenheit or Celsius)​
  2. Cell Voltage (often 21.0 to 27.0 volts when chlorine is being generated, otherwise 16-31V)​
  3. Cell Current (often 2.50 to 7.80 amps when chlorine is being generated, otherwise 0 amps during normal rest cycles.)​
  4. Real-Time Salinity reading ( xxxx PPM or x.x grams/Liter.)​
  5. System ID​
  6. Software revision level​
  7. Cell Version.​

Circupool RJ Series Salinity

Discount Salt pools has said the following:

Like the Hayward, the Rj System measures salinity by determining the level of conductivity in the water. Anything that affects conductivity can trigger a low salt/check cell indicator. Some examples include low salt, dirty cell, air trapped in the cell or low water temperature. All of these things must be aligned in order for the system to calculate an estimated salinity level. Also, ensure 'cell type' setting has not been changed. Customers often unknowingly change the cell type altering the salinity level which in turn can also trigger a warning light. Any solid warning lights will shut off amps to the cell, meaning no chlorine production.[15]

They recommend going through the items on this page before replacing the cell.

CORE Series

  • The CORE is an all-in-one unit that integrates the controller and flow switch into one component for easier installation. Like the SJ series, it provides 25% increments for % generation. Finer adjustment of output needs to be done by adjusting pump run time.
Circupool Core-55.jpg

Core Models

  • CORE-15 - 15,000 gallons - 0.90 lbs/day Chlorine
  • CORE-35 - 35,000 gallons - 1.40 lbs/day Chlorine
  • CORE-55 - 55,000 gallons - 2.30 lbs/day Chlorine

Core Features

  • You cannot rotate the control head as the cell can only plug in one direction to the controller.[16]
  • The cell also has to be inserted the same other way as it is keyed to it's housing.
  • The flow direction however is bi-directional as the flow switch activates either way.
  • It will automatically recognize 100 to 240vac up to 4 amps.
  • The Core-55 has eight flow channels where the water flows thru over the many plates.
  • The flow sensor is built in, so there is no separate sensor to install.
  • The cell is transparent so to see the water flow and hydrogen gas being generated to be sure that the unit is working.
  • The Core series does not have a lot of the display features and diagnostics that other units have.[17]

EDGE Series

The Edge Series has a simple display using LEDs to show % output and other cell status.

EDGE Models

  • EDGE15 - 7,500 to 15,000 gallon pools - 0.70 lbs/day Chlorine
  • EDGE25 - 17,500 to 25,000 gallon pools - 1.20 lbs/day Chlorine
  • EDGE40 - 30,000 to 40,000 gallon pools - 1.7 lbs/day Chlorine

EDGE Features

  • The Edge has LED lights to give you information
  • SWG % adjustment is in 12.5% increments
  • When you set it to 50% it runs at 50% power and does not cycle at 100% for half the time and then off like most other US SWGs
  • There is a separate flow switch to be mounted before the cell
  • The Edge doesn’t have an internal fan
  • The Control Module is a separate unit that can be placed in a bit more controlled environment then the CORE Series.

Circupool Edge Union Leaks

Members are finding a union may have a loose fit and leak or pop off when tightened.

The fix discussed in Circupool Edge union leaks has been to put a 4" worm hose clamp around the union to compress it and create a tighter fit around the threads.

Circupool Edge Union Clamped.jpg

Circupool Vertical Installation

Circupool has a Vertical Installation Kit if you need it.

Circupool SWG Maintenance Tips

Keep Control Panel Out Of the Weather

Circupool customer support recommends having a roof or shelter over the control. Even though it's designed to be outside and is "waterproof". They say if you want longevity with control keep it out of the elements, direct sun and rain. [18]

Air builds up in SWG cell

  • Check cell is level
  • Check filter pressure and flow. Backwash filter.
  • Put the hump down to help clear out any air from the cell.

Bubbles Around the Plates

  • SWGs generate chlorine gas and hydrogen gas. The chlorine gas dissolves pretty quickly in the water. Hydrogen gas does not dissolve as much. So, if you're watching the returns, you should only see hydrogen gas. If you're watching the plates through clear cell walls, you can see chlorine gas being generated.[19]
  • The bubbles on both sides of the center plate are hydrogen or chlorine depending on the polarity.
  • Bubbles form on the inner walls of the outer plates but not on the outer walls of the outer plates. The bubbles on the center plate are the opposite of the bubbles on the inner walls of the outer plates.
  • Hydrogen gas and chlorine gas are both generated at the surface of the plates.
  • Hydrogen gas is seen as bubbles on one side of the plates and chlorine gas is seen as bubbles on the other side of the same plate.
  • The size of the bubbles is partly dictated by the water flow.
  • Higher flow means smaller bubbles.

What Causes SWG Cells to Explode?

  • SWG's have an explosion risk if the cell is powered and generating when there is no water flow. This can be caused to a stuck flow switch.
  • When a cell explodes, it's due to the combined chlorine and hydrogen gasses.
  • Hydrogen gas needs an oxidizer to burn. Usually, the oxidizer is oxygen, but there's no oxygen available.
  • There's no oxygen, but the chlorine is a better oxidizer than oxygen and produces a faster reaction.

Circupool Universal 40 Humming / Whirring Sound

The Universal 40 and maybe other models have a fan inside. The sound corresponds to the fan spinning up and slowing down and the sound appeared to be coming from the fan. Removing the 4 screws holding the fan in place and turning it back on quieted the sound.

The fan is mounted to the housing over a vent to external air with a mesh screen 'sandwiched' between the fan and vent opening. The mesh screen became loose over time and the fan blades were rubbing against the mesh screen.

If you remount the fan with the 4 screws and back-off 2 of the screws a quarter turn and that can be enough to prevent the sound.[20]


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  1. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj-review.184304/post-1626661
  2. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/pump-psi-too-high-for-swg.198844/post-1755443
  3. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/comparing-pureline-vs-circupool-swgs.176281/post-1555329
  4. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-swg.267676/post-2360109
  5. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/vertical-installation-of-circupool-sj-35-swcg.279726/post-2451454
  6. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/comparing-pureline-vs-circupool-swgs.176281/post-1555329
  7. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/adding-swg-question-re-multivalve.206941/post-1821547
  8. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj-review.184304/post-1626661
  9. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj-series-spring-time-gotcha.198705/post-1754158
  10. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/another-circupool-fan-failure.209245/
  11. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj-30-install-questions-pump-pressure-also-possible-electrical-issue.163282/post-1472704
  12. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupools-swg-10-psi-warning-label.271136/post-2382957
  13. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj-45-plus-reads-high-temp-no-chlorine-generated.231716/post-2073336
  14. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj-60-low-temperature-warning-will-not-auto-reset.227007/post-1990929
  15. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-rj45-low-salt-and-check-cell-light-on.290161/post-2546278
  16. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-core-swcgs.178545/post-1587690
  17. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-core-swcgs.178545/post-1678731
  18. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/swg-install-tomorrow.193249/post-1703786
  19. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/swg-install-tomorrow.193249/post-1703719
  20. https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/circupool-humming-whirring-sound.262704/