Yellowout and algae

Michael,

Can you please provide the complete set of test results? That sounds like a lot but also remember when your FC is very high you will lose more chlorine than at lower levels in absolute terms especially if CYA is low. I would do another OCLT to be sure. Also, can you please add your signature, it's simple to do and helps you get answers more quickly. Also help us be more productive with volunteer expert's time. Here's how.

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If you didn’t add chlorine in a 24 hour period you will lose it to UV degradation as well as normal loss due to bather load and other environmental organics that may have entered into the pool. OCLT prevents UV loss due to it being performed overnight in a “relatively” short window of time, but it sounds like you’ve gone much longer than a standard OCLT.
 
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Michael,

Can you please provide the complete set of test results?
FC 9 (from 19.5), CC .2, pH 7.6, TA 100, CYA 50, CH 175, temp 79
That sounds like a lot but also remember when your FC is very high you will lose more chlorine than at lower levels in absolute terms especially if CYA is low. I would do another OCLT to be sure. Also, can you please add your signature, it's simple to do and helps you get answers more quickly.
I thought I had done so, but apparently not. task complete.
Also help us be more productive with volunteer expert's time. Here's how.
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Good afternoon everyone. I performed my testing this morning... fc 4.4, CC 8, pH 7.6, TA100. previous cya 45.
I have performed 3 SLAM's, dumped in countless ounces GLB algaecide... all this while water is beyond glistening. Early on I had the large dead clumps of algae to vacuum up... long story short, I went through the long process of vacuuming, brushing, adjusting, maintaining, testing over a couple weeks. Now a week or so into the recovery period I am STILL getting 8+ combined chlorine readings with water that doesn't "look" bad. I'm at that point where I believe I need to hire a PRO, but I certainly don't want my pool store doing it because I truly believe my testing skills are better than theirs. It's getting closer and closer to the time to close the pool for the season, but the LAST thing I want is to OPEN up the pool next year with a problem. Thoughts?
 
The only way to have a CC of 8 is from adding potions that disrupt the testing process.

What is GLB algaecide? Is it ammonia based? Why are using it? There is NO reason to ever use an algaecide outside of stain treatment or winterization.
 
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Use a 10 ml sample so each drop is 0.5 FC. Saves time and reagents. Are you using a SpeedStir?
Because I've been having issues with dead algae showing up (super small pieces now), I've been using the 25ml sample to get a more accurate reading. My test kit is complete minus a SpeedStir (I plan on adding that to my kit next year). For the most part, our pool is 99.9% algae free. I suppose my frustration lies with the remaining (invisible) algae suspended in the water. My hope is that it will be fully cleared up BEFORE we close the pool.
 
The only way to have a CC of 8 is from adding potions that disrupt the testing process.

What is GLB algaecide? Is it ammonia based? Why are using it? There is NO reason to ever use an algaecide outside of stain treatment or winterization.
a few weeks ago I had an algae outbreak. Before I got to know TFP, I put my trust in my local pool store. We purchased some phosphate remover and YellowOut to remove what appeared to be be mustard algae. A huge amount of organic material clumped up on the bottom of the pool which we vacuumed to waste, backwashed and then brushed. We SLAMed the pool and continued to have dead algae accumulate on the pool bottom. This was a couple weeks ago. Since then, I've SLAMed at least 2 more times (several CC of .6 or more and dead algae). As of late, the dead algae is VERY minimal, almost unrecognizable...but still showing up as CC .6 or more. Water is beyond glistening but the combined chlorine scares me a bit .
GLB is a brand name algaecide we purchased off Amazon that had great reviews by their customers.
 
I've been using the 25ml sample to get a more accurate reading.
The tests have essentially the same accuracy. The 25 ml sample is more precise, but you don't need that level of precision. Getting a quality test result within 0.5 is more than enough.

My test kit is complete minus a SpeedStir (I plan on adding that to my kit next year).
I would order one today. (If mine broke, I would be doing the same.)

Because I've been having issues with dead algae showing up
I suppose my frustration lies with the remaining (invisible) algae suspended in the water.
You likely prematurely exited a SLAM. Perform the SLAM procedure and maintain it until you meet all three exit criteria for the SLAM Process:
  • CC is 0.5 or lower
  • AND your overnight chlorine loss test shows 1.0 ppm of loss or less
  • AND pool water is crystal clear with no visible sign of algae (dead or alive) on floor and walls
 
You stated a CC of 8, but then 0.6.
Yellow out can sometimes be sodium bromide. If what you added was that, you now have a bromine pool.
 
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That's not sodium bromide, so you dodged a bullet. Don't add any magic potions to your water, they cause a lot more harm than good.


 
Good morning everyone. I've been on here with several posts, mainly in the algae and testing forums over the past few weeks.
My problem has continued because I haven't apparently done a good job describing the organic in my pool. Essentially every day, there is white clouds... little puffy ones and large long ones lying on the pool floor. I've been vacuuming them up thinking that whatever it is, it would EVENTUALLY go away. HANDS UP, I've given up. I called my pool provider and she mentioned pink mold and that she has provided service for this more times than she cares to mention (I might be off on the name of the organic). I'm going in this morning to check out the info sheet and look at the products that she says they have that should fix this permanently. I've attached some photos in hopes you guys could weigh in. Thanks.
 

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So, she is giving you advice over the phone telling you what you have.

Sounds like you need to do two things, OCLT, followed most likely with SLAM. Maybe a third....Stop going to the pool provider for help!

Your Pool Math logs don't have any data in them. What do your numbers look like?
 
I reviewed all your previous posts, but didn't try to knit together what had been going on with previous attempts to SLAM and deal with the issues.
Given the saga - it would be well worth your while to invest the $8 per year in the paid version of PoolMath, Then you can save all of your history of testing and chem additions via the logs, AND we can then see it here also, to give a more complete picture of what has been happening - and avoiding repeated asking about your levels.

I get the sense that the previous attempts have been a bit episodic and the expectation has been for fast results, so SLAM's have perhaps ended prematurely. But even if not, dead algae can persist for much longer than one desires. It may not require more slamming, if one can repeatedly pass the OCLT. But it may take many days of brushing and vacuuming before it all gets flushed out (either by gong to waste or trapped in the filter). It does seem that as time has gone on, you are seeing less and less accumulation - which is good.

So - do those white clouds very easily puff up when disturbed? Then from your past history, the likelihood is it is dead algae that is still slowly settling out.
IF you've been very diligent about keeping your Cl level well in the target range, and still pass an OCLT, then it is just frustrating brushing/vacuuming as needed, that will get better - but longer than you would wish for.
IF you haven't been as up on it (days you just couldn't test, and might have dipped low on Cl), then you might still be having mini-algae blooms during those times, and what you are seeing is the result of the subsequent adds (that kill some of it) to get back up to the target.

As a side note - there are other things that can grow in pools. Most notably a biofilm of bacteria that forms on surfaces. The most common is one that is slightly translucent pink. Very harmless, but a little slimy, and of course not desired. An indicator is the bottom feeling slippery when you walk around in the pool. It forms as a film, and the top layers serve as a "skin" to protect the underlying ones from the chlorine. So even at SLAM levels, it may not be killed. It doesn't grow really fast, like algae can. The treatment for it is super easy - brush the pool every few days. That breaks up the "skin" and then even regular levels of Cl will take care of it. It will not though, dead or alive, accumulate in piles.
 

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