Which pump to replace Hayward ecostar?

[tstex]

What i am getting at its the original statement was that the owner has a Hayward SP3400VSP for 8 years. This can easily be connected to a new motor/controller rather than replacing the pump and motor with a complete new system. Pumps last a long time, Motors and controllers not as long.
8 years on a pool pump is not a long time. Tstex is confusing the pump side with the motor/controller side.

Darin, I am not confusing the terminology. During our pool install in Dec 2014-Jan 2015, we later had Haywards best techs out to understand why the ecostar kept tripping the circuit breaker. It was at this time I learned a lot about the ecostar, controller designs, etc. Essentially, over the next 1-3 yrs, went through 2-3 whole EcoStar units [controller/motor/pump/however you would like to say the entire "unit"]. and 2-3 diff controllers [the part w the electronics that "controls" the other portions of the unit. The controller had a combination of both bad chips and bad design. Hayward somewhat fixed the chip, but they did not do as much w the design, so they went to the next gen of VSP's, aka the tristar.

There are a variety of ecostar pump, controller errors, but the majority are the controller. Single speed pumps often had pump/wet end failures and you could replace the pump and obtain many add'l yrs bc the controller side was well built and well designed. This is indicative of many make/models of the 70's, 80's, 90's and early 2000's....now, not so much...

 

[Darin]

Hiltxan is asking about options for an eight year old Hayward. I am advising him to consider a VS motor and controller to fit his pump. He would replace seals and o-rigns in his pump in this scenario thus saving alot of money by not replacing the pump. Pumps last a long time.
You are confusing since you keep calling a controller and motor a pump. They are not, they are a motor and a controller that drive a pump which pumps pool water.
I hope hiltxan considers all his options from cheapest to full replacement which is most expensive.

 

[tstex]

Darin, price out an ecostar controller and pump, along w the soft parts and post those...you will then see the economics.

Here, I did it for you.....about $1100-$1200 without soft parts and labor...and w an 8 yr old pump.

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I get what you are trying to do and appreciate it. I am trying to steer the OP from an usually faulty VSP to make an investment in newer/better technology w warranty....I do consider myself biased towards the ecostar bc of such poor performance and all of the threads i have read concerning the ecostars failures. Even the hayward techs told me they'd go w the most powerful single speed and abandon the ecostar....good luck and thanks for your feedback.

The OP could be thankful they don't have this version of the EcoStar

Hayward SPX3400DRVR Ecostar Vacuum Release Drive Controller
Hayward works on Ecostar VSPVR vacuum release model pumps

Our Price: $1,499.00
Sale Price: $1,299.00
Savings: $200.00

 

[Darin]

Vgreen motor and drive are around $600. Seals and o-rings another $40 on a good 8 year old pump. Seems pretty easy route to go by using already owned pump.
Soft parts? There are not any.
Labor? Easy watch youtube and then do it. Two hours max and learning something along the way.

 

[tstex]

Vgreen motor and drive are around $600. Seals and o-rings another $40 on a good 8 year old pump. Seems pretty easy route to go by using already owned pump.
Soft parts? There are not any.
Labor? Easy watch youtube and then do it. Two hours max and learning something along the way.

Can you pls provide the links to the VSP motor and controller? Thanks

Also, seals and o-rings are considered the "soft" parts...

 

[Darin]

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[tstex]

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Inyo Pools does not have a compatible controller for the Ecostar. Their biggest Vgreen VS motor size is 1.65HP; the Ecostar is 2.7HP. Tristar is 1.85 & 2.7HP. Also, not sure if OP has any automation, but it would not wk w Vgreen motor, whether 1.65 or 2.7 if available.

If you can truly find any compatible parts for the EcoStar that would work, you would help a lot of people....good luck

 

[1poolman1]

EcoStar, TriStar 2.7, same wet end, different motor and drive. Name change to distance it from the EcoStar reputation.
A V-Green 2.7 (ECM27SQU) bolts on with no problems. It won't communicate with a Hayward Automation control without an automation adapter.

 

[tstex]

Thanks p-man. I stand corrected on the vgreen motor size, but the folks at Inyo [Shay and Eric] stated the largest was 1.65...

Yes. Hayward definitely wanted VSP separation btw Eco and TriStar...you can prob confirm, but the Amazon version of the tristar has 1-2 things diff than the dealer sold 2.7HP Tristar. One being the dealer side O-Ring is supposed to be a much better material and the warranty is 4 yrs, vs 3, if installed by a pool professional.

When you state "communicate", this means essentially on/off and a choice of relay speeds, but no programming/automation features from remote, correct?

Thanks for clarification.

 

[1poolman1]

Thanks p-man. I stand corrected on the vgreen motor size, but the folks at Inyo [Shay and Eric] stated the largest was 1.65...

Yes. Hayward definitely wanted VSP separation btw Eco and TriStar...you can prob confirm, but the Amazon version of the tristar has 1-2 things diff than the dealer sold 2.7HP Tristar. One being the dealer side O-Ring is supposed to be a much better material and the warranty is 4 yrs, vs 3, if installed by a pool professional.

When you state "communicate", this means essentially on/off and a choice of relay speeds, but no programming/automation features from remote, correct?

Thanks for clarification.

You cannot turn a V-Green 2.7 on and off with a relay. It needs constant power. You risk damaging the control to do otherwise and all programming is in the control on the 2.7. There is an automation adapter that allows various relay and valve-actuator signals (just a 12-24v input) to change the speeds on the motor. The interface on the top of the motor comes off (and the screw holes plugged with the plugs in the kit) and you save it "just in case."
Not a hard install if you just follow the instructions. Gives you 3 speed options. The numbers are (same adapter, different cover color):

2517501-002 or​

2517501-001​

 

[tstex]

Thanks for clarifications

 

[proavia]

What i am getting at its the original statement was that the owner has a Hayward SP3400VSP for 8 years. This can easily be connected to a new motor/controller rather than replacing the pump and motor with a complete new system. Pumps last a long time, Motors and controllers not as long.
8 years on a pool pump is not a long time. Tstex is confusing the pump side with the motor/controller side.

The wet-end can probably be reused.
Some here have used the v-Green motor/controller with success on an old wet-end. There are a few other options available.

In reality, people hear "pump" and take it to mean the entire unit -- wet-end, motor and controller/drive. That is why we tend to refer to the place that has water in it as the "wet-end".
Leads to way less confusion.

 

[hiltxan]

Wow, thanks for the discussions and clarifications.

This is what I purchased. I believe it's the controller (electronic) part of the motor, not the wet parts such as seals etc. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005INZ4XM/

I believe it could be something as simple as replacing a chip on that circuit board. This guy seems like a genius:

I was about to attempt it myself but it seemed too advanced for me. Also I asked Hayward if they can just ship me the circuit board but there is no such part.

 

[Darin]

1poolman1, thanks for helping a lot of people.