Possible New Pool In Central FL

Tegguy

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Does anyone have any advice on the best way to try to lay out this pad?

Also would everyone recommend 4" or 8" CMP bubbler? Other than size I can't tell much of a difference.
 
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Tegguy

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Winter Garden FL
Post a diagram of proposed pool I'll mark it up when I get a chance. The only difference is slightly more flow and slightly wider spill
Thank You and attached

Show us a pic of the pad and a list of the equipment.
I don't have a pad yet (still debating how I'm going to build it and how big) but here is the equiptment list I was looking at (Open to suggestions)

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jimmythegreek

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for some reason I cant mark up the pic. essentially I would do this...
1.5 in homerun line to each 18" sheer
2" homerun to the 48"sheer
2" homerun of 3 seperate lines for the returns. I would T off to 1.5"and stack a pair on each 2" line. I would seperate the returns to not be next to eachother, like every other one. reason being if you ever had a leak and needed to shut down the line, its better for flow to be missing returns in between
2" homerun to each bubbler.

for suction I would have 2" homeruns from each skimmer.
for the strip drain I would have 2.5" or 3" depending which drain you used.

The spa is its own deal its up to the PB what plumbing and jet setup he is going to use. i dont rly build concrete pools and spas, the rare occasion I do an attached spa its a shell raised on pool edge and simple plumbing

the sheers and bubblers all running at the same time is gonna be maxing out a full size VS. if you plan on having them all on you will have to get creative with the layout. I see about 100' of pipe from pad to the spa, thats gonna be tricky too. If you have an overflow setup you will need to pull pool water too to the spa for that. the main makeup will be the spa drains. Maybe tie a seperate pump just for spa using a skimmer for the pool makeup. then tie the second skimmer and strip for the pool returns. A high flow pump would work best for the water features, if you dont want to go to 3 pumps you could also setup the pool returns and spa like a traditional pool/spa combo and then use a water feature pump to just power the water features. The issues with a water feature pump is its single speed. if you decide you dont want the bubbler on or the waterfall on and just the other the flow is gonna be alot stronger. Pretty complex to automate all of it, you need lots of valves. I like to use 2way valves mainly, I only use a 3way when in between 2 lines, I hate when i see 3ways into 3ways, its a pet peeve.
 

Tegguy

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@jimmythegreek Thank you for the reply. We do plan to have the bubblers and sheers off the 1 3HP Pentair VS pump and then the pool and spa would be on the other one. We really don't want to add a 3rd pump at this time.

I do expect each bubbler and sheer to have it's own line back to the pad because I want individual control over each feature and if we decide to automate then the VS pump gives us the control over the flow if we turn off certain features.

Can you help me understand "overflow setup"? Is this an autodrain or a spa spillway?

Here is a picture of the channel drain that was spec'd
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Tegguy

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Does anyone have any input on where the 3.5' deep section should end and how much the 6' deep section should be?

Also any input on the light placement?

Lastly any input on Pentair 011056 vs the 011028 pump?

Hoping to sign paperwork with an LDS company and gunite company next week.
 

ajw22

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Does anyone have any input on where the 3.5' deep section should end and how much the 6' deep section should be?
Depends on the slope you want between the 3.5 and 6' sections.

Posting your current design with these questions would be helpful.

Also any input on the light placement?
Facing away from the house.

What lights are you using?

Lastly any input on Pentair 011056 vs the 011028 pump?
Pentair seems to have phased 011028 out of the supply chain. 011056 is selling for the same as 011028 or less. It is an identical pump that includes the flow feature. Get the 011056.
 

jimmythegreek

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Theres no deciding if you want automation you need it. On a simple pool it's not a huge deal to turn a valve for a single water feature. Once you add a spa you want to push a button for spa or pool mode. I'm a Hayward guy but the intellicenter is what you will need to be able to setup groups and handle all that. You have a complex setup planned. I am not sure either pump will handle 7' of sheers and 2 bubbles at the same time. normally the bubblers would be treated as 2 returns off the pool side amd the waterfalls would have their own pump. With a spa in the mix its gonna get trickier. Here is a pad with an 8' sheer, 2 bubblers. See the 3 pumps, one is dedicated to the waterfalls20200507_132947.jpg
 

Tegguy

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Theres no deciding if you want automation you need it. On a simple pool it's not a huge deal to turn a valve for a single water feature. Once you add a spa you want to push a button for spa or pool mode. I'm a Hayward guy but the intellicenter is what you will need to be able to setup groups and handle all that. You have a complex setup planned. I am not sure either pump will handle 7' of sheers and 2 bubbles at the same time. normally the bubblers would be treated as 2 returns off the pool side amd the waterfalls would have their own pump. With a spa in the mix its gonna get trickier. Here is a pad with an 8' sheer, 2 bubblers. See the 3 pumps, one is dedicated to the waterfallsView attachment 148399
Thanks for the picture. I defiantly plan to use automation. We originally were going to do 1 pump for everything but we decided we wanted to run the water features with the spa at the same time and so that's how we ended up with 2 pumps. I really don't want to but if I were to go with 3 pumps would that be 1 for the spa 1 for the pool and bubblers and 1 for the water feature? Do I have to worry about overloading the strip drain? If I were to run just 2 pumps would it just be that I wouldn't get the full projection from the bubblers and sheers? For example they might go out 1 foot instead of 2?

Is there anything I can do to decrease the TDH? For example larger pipes as close to the feature as possible or anything.

Depends on the slope you want between the 3.5 and 6' sections.

Posting your current design with these questions would be helpful.
Not sure what a good slope would be. I had previously posted the drawings but here they are again.

What lights are you using?
Pentair Microbrite. Planning 4 for the pool (2 4 feet from each wall and then equal spaced) 1 in the spa

Pentair seems to have phased 011028 out of the supply chain. 011056 is selling for the same as 011028 or less. It is an identical pump that includes the flow feature. Get the 011056.
Awesome thanks.
 

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ajw22

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ajw22

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Thanks for the links so it looks like 3 to 1 is maximum slope there should be but any recommendations on how much deep and shall end we should have? Is there a "standard"?
Length of the pool and maximum slope and depths determine any limitations on length of deep or shallow end. No standard.
 

Tegguy

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Length of the pool and maximum slope and depths determine any limitations on length of deep or shallow end. No standard.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is the transition point typically centered for equal shallow and deep ends or is it biased to give a little more of one or the other?