Pool dig started Manteca, CA

bmoreswim

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I'll give you the extreme. Our pool was shot with a high in the upper 20's (and low in the 20's too so not extremely cold and it warmed the next day). Not ideal or recommended but the pool also hasn't given way yet so that's good. It's been 7 years.

But for authoritative literature, there's this link...

Finding the Cure | Professional Watershaping | Watershapes.
 

Nikilyn

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I'll give you the extreme. Our pool was shot with a high in the upper 20's (and low in the 20's too so not extremely cold and it warmed the next day). Not ideal or recommended but the pool also hasn't given way yet so that's good. It's been 7 years.

But for authoritative literature, there's this link...

Finding the Cure | Professional Watershaping | Watershapes.
Not extremely cold 😳😜?!? That is absolutely frigid when you live in AZ 😂.
 
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mihzyd777

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Well I do know that the optimum temp for plaster was between 50-75 degrees? I should be ok. It's somewhat warm here suppose to get into the low to mid 60's for the next week. However, I just found out today they start digging on Tuesday 11/17. Then all the plumbing, rebar, gunite, etc...so plaster probably won't happen for another 2 months. Then that's a different story because our temps will be in the 50's by that time. Hopefully it will be a warm winter lol.
 

mihzyd777

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I do have autofill. The closest the pool gets to the very corner of my house is about 11 ft. or so, then there will be about 4' of cement and then a garden bed before getting to house. everything else around the pool will be garden beds.
 

mihzyd777

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Where would you all put drains in can you show me on the attached drawing?
 

spd500

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The drawing really doesn't help with where drains should be placed. What is important is elevation. In my situation I have a covered outdoor kitchen between the house and pool and there are deck drains added between the pool and kitchen to keep water out of the covered area, then behind the kitchen we have a garden area that has house on two sides and patio on the other two sides so we put French drains in there. We also have the gutter downspouts for the whole back half of the house tied into the drainage piping so they dont flood the backyard during heavy rains.

So basically you need to look at where the pool will go and plan for how the water will drain once the pool is built. For me the drains are not so much for keeping water out of the pool, or draining pool water away, all of my added drainage is in anticipation of heavy rains that we get here in the Houston area.
 

RMcGirr83

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Overflow pipe. There are knock outs on the skimmers where pvc can be attached and the pipes can either open discharge or discharge into a dry well or something along those lines. I use a 1/4 horsepower submersible pump and a garden hose. Have had to use it maybe 3 times in two years.
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JJ_Tex

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Where would you all put drains in can you show me on the attached drawing?
If you have a large area of concrete between your pool and your house, I would suggest drains there since you dont want the water going into the pool, or towards your house.

I just took a picture of mine. In the first picture, you can see the 2 deck drains that catch water since it really has nowhere to go if I do not want it going into the pool or onto the covered patio. The 2nd picture is a closeup of the drain between the pool and covered patio.

3rd pic is on the far end by my shower, but you can also see we tied the gutter downspouts to the drain as well. (Pardon the mess, I'm in the middle of putting up the robot and pulling out the ledge chairs for the winter).

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BowserB

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Our pool is our first, so we knew close to nothing when it was built, relying on the pool builder and city codes. We're in the city of Katy, near Houston but with more inspectors than policemen and firemen. A pool builder located here in Katy does not build pools in the city due to, as he puts it, excessive codes and inspections. In any case what seems to be common here is what we have. Because the pool decking is adjacent to the covered patio, there are two drains in the decking plus one in the grass near the patio. Purpose is to catch rain water and route it to the street, then of course the storm drains. Two roof gutter downspouts empty directly into the drain pipe. There is a popup cover at the end of the drain next to the curb. Also attached to that drain system is an overflow drain on the pool wall at a level about 1/3 of the way down from the top of the skimmers. Even during the hardest rainstorm, I've not seen the pool level get above the grate on that drain, so it seems to be adequate, although the pool is post-Hurricane Harvey, so it's not been given an ultimate test. In combination with the autofill, the pool level is pretty much maintained in a depth range of maybe 2 inches, give or take.

Of course local codes may or may not allow pool overflow into storm drains. Here they do. There is no way, I'd drain into the sanitary sewer system, though.
 

bmoreswim

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Isn't it the plaster that should be done at a higher temp?
Both. They are both cementious materials. (Seems like a word - too lazy to check).
 

mihzyd777

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So can someone please tell me again why 2 skimmers are better than 1? Why is it recommended to have 2? Is it simply in case 1 gets clogged?

Thanks!
 

ajw22

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So can someone please tell me again why 2 skimmers are better than 1? Why is it recommended to have 2? Is it simply in case 1 gets clogged?

Thanks!
Pretty much. If you have one skimmer and it has a leak or clog then your pool is shutdown until you get it fixed. If you have two skimmers your pool can run with one skimmer and you can repair the other skimmer at your leisure.
 

mihzyd777

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Hi All,

So the big day is finally here!! Dig day is tmrw. So I've been doing a lot of reading here and other sites.

Quick question wjich is more important getting thicker rebar vs. 3/8" OR getting rebar 6" inch on centers vs. 12" inch thanks!
 

mihzyd777

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last question on this I think :) Our dig starts tmrw so I still have a couole weeks on this. So I decided to go with 2 skimmers like you showed. I want them independently ran back to pumo right?

Question is when they get to pump do they go from 2 lines to 1 using a T connector? Just want to be sure I understand right

Thanks!
 

mihzyd777

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I ahve zero clue but of I were to guess I woukd say 6" on center. When people say 6" on center does it mean the rebar makes a 6" x 6" square? I watch my neighbira pool be buit and as the pool got deeper the rebar was much closer together but towarss the top it was 12" x 12" squares of rebar. His pool is 16' wide x 36' ft long. Since they start digging tmrw I want to be sure when it gets to rebar stage I know what to say if something doesn't look right.