New IG build League City, TX

Dirk

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Coincidentally, here's a new thread from a guy that might be in your neck of the woods, describing his run in with his city about the p-trap sewer line:

Crazy city code on p-trap
 

Jbrillo

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Jun 11, 2018
386
League City, Texas
Jbrillo, do you know what your frost line level is?

I am not sure what my frost line level is. I’ve never had a pool before but down here below freezing temps are extremely rare. Last winter was unusually cold. I’ll have to ask my neighbors if they had to do anything with their pools when it iced last year. It’s certainly wasn’t cold enough to freeze a pool. At least I don’t think so.

If it helps, I don’t feel like your pushing an auto fill. I think you just want me to be informed, which is what I want. I’m still torn on it. I just don’t know if I really need one. I did find some ones you hook up to your water hose and hang on the side of your pool. They seemed to have some good reviews and were like $50-something on Amazon. We’ve had tons rain here recently and I’m still waiting on city permits so I’ve got time to decide. I guess I should see what my PB would charge to install one.

Tldude876,

Thanks for the pic of the fill line. I’d be okay with that too. At least it cuts out having to use a hose. I’m like you. I do like you, I a lot of stuff myself. My boys cut the yard but I still change my own oil because I don’t like strangers touching my car. I do all of my own maintenance to my cars and only take it to the mechanic for bigger jobs. I don’t do A/C work.

I feel like I would be in the backyard a lot. Perhaps more than my kids. I like to run(not a marathoner....just a few miles) and I would love to jump in a pool and do some laps after running. I run two to three days a week even in the summer so I’m sure I’ll know more water levels whether or not I decide to get an autofill.

When are are they gonna do your spray deck? I guess waiting till it’s dry??? Pool looks good though.
 

tldude876

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Jan 3, 2018
98
League City, TX
No update on the spray deck. A rep from the company did email me earlier this week but I guess the weather is slowing down things a bit. I can't wait for it to be done so I install fresh sod. A crew came out a few weeks ago to grade the yard but the rain keeps washing the sand out so I'm hoping the PB can send them back out. I do repair and maintenance on my vehicles as well. If it's something I can't handle or don't want to touch I have buddy that's a master tech at a local dealerhsip. Worst case I take it to a shop in Houston where I get my alignments done.
 

Dirk

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According to this, and many other available maps:

Frost Line Penetration Map In The U.S. - Hammerpedia

your frostline is less than 5", same as mine. A PoolMiser supply line would not be affected by freezing weather. It is at least 12" below the surface. Your local building/planning dept would be the one that could confirm that.
 

Jbrillo

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Jun 11, 2018
386
League City, Texas
Coincidentally, here's a new thread from a guy that might be in your neck of the woods, describing his run in with his city about the p-trap sewer line:

Crazy city code on p-trap

First thanks for educating me on frost lines. Never heard the term down here b/c it’s so darn hot. On Christmas Day it’s not uncommon to be 80-degrees and humid.
Also, if my city requires this line even though I’m using a cartridge filter, is there something else I can use this for? Like draining the pool to keep it from overflowing?
 

Dirk

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Yes, exactly. I'm not assuming you don't know the following, but someone else reading your thread might not: Think of the required plumbing line as the same thing as a drain under your sink. Go have a look. See that u-shaped bit of drain? That's a p-trap. It traps a bit of water in the bottom of the U, and that keeps sewer gases from backing up through the pipe and leaking into your living space. That's why, even though your drain is connected to the sewer, it doesn't stink up your house.

So your city wants the same setup, a similar drain line, starting at your pool pad and connected to your sewer, just as your sink's drain is. The line at your pad is not connected to anything at the pad. It's not connected to your pool in any way. I'm guessing it'll have some sort of cap on it. So if you have a filter that required backwashing, that backwash line would be connected to the p-trap, either permanently or temporarily (I'm not sure how that all works), so that when you back wash the filter, the waste water and all the crud you're cleaning out of the filter will run into the sewer, instead of onto your dirt, or wherever. Just as if you poured it down your sink.

Similarly, the city probably doesn't want you emptying your pool down a hill, or into a creek, or down your street into a storm drain. They want you to empty your pool into the sewer system. So if you had to drain your pool, you'd connect the pump doing the work to a hose and run that hose to the p-trap line, temporarily, and pump the pool water into the sewer, just as if you're pouring it down your sink.

So it's actually a convenience to have it there, and you'll probably use if from time to time, even though you have a cartridge filter.

If the city didn't insist they be installed at the pad, and merely enacted a statute that required everyone to empty their pool into their sewer, it'd likely get ignored, because there's no convenient way to pump a pool into your sewer pipe, and everybody would just empty their pools into the street, which would run down the street to the storm drain and probably pollute some river or lake down stream somewhere. By forcing people to install this sewer line at the pad, the city is hoping more people will likely use it. The p-trap is intended to seal off the pipe from sewer gas, so it doesn't stink up your yard. If you do ever smell it, it's because the water in the p-trap finally evaporated, and you run a hose down it for a few seconds to fill the trap up again.

One more thing to remember: if you don't have a spankin' clean sewer line, maybe it's plugged up with tree roots or something, and you start pumping a pool's worth of water into it, at the kind of volume and pressure a pool pump is capable of, that much water will hit the clog and have nowhere to go. Nowhere, that is, except backwards: right back up your p-trap line, and unfortunately, right back up every other line, too: sinks, tubs, toilets, etc. So if/when you pump water into the thing, be aware of this possibility, and start slow, have someone inside watching the sink/tub/toilet closest to your sewer line, ready to shout if things go wrong.

It'd be prudent to call your water company (or sewer company?) and ask about all this, before you drain your pool into the p-trap. It's possible they only want backwashing to go into the sewer, and a full pool drain to go somewhere else, or pretreated in some way. Each city is different.

That's about all I know on the subject, and some of that I didn't even have to make up!! ;)
 

ctrav

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Congrats on the new pool. Very nice space and design! Lots of things thought out so well done there. I agree with Dirk on the auto-fill for the pool. Super nice to have but some builders will only plan for it and then have you get someone else to hook it up. In my case I had to pay my irrigation guy to do it. I waited a year before doing it and I absolutely love it and its tied into my automation for the sprinklers using my phone. Other thoughts:

3.5 is shallow so make sure its what you want!
consider a couple of ledges or at least one on the wall with the far wall across from the spa (little swimmers get tired and need a place to bail and adults like to sit...

Best of luck and I look forward to following this one...
 

Jbrillo

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Jun 11, 2018
386
League City, Texas
Thanks Dirk!

Ill check with my local utility before draft ning anything down that p-trap. I’m not exactly sure what it’s gonna look like but I will find out.


Congrats on the new pool. Very nice space and design! Lots of things thought out so well done there. I agree with Dirk on the auto-fill for the pool. Super nice to have but some builders will only plan for it and then have you get someone else to hook it up. In my case I had to pay my irrigation guy to do it. I waited a year before doing it and I absolutely love it and its tied into my automation for the sprinklers using my phone. Other thoughts:

3.5 is shallow so make sure its what you want!
consider a couple of ledges or at least one on the wall with the far wall across from the spa (little swimmers get tired and need a place to bail and adults like to sit...

Best of luck and I look forward to following this one...

Thanks ctrav! I am thinking about
making it 4ft deep on both ends. Someone else mentioned a bench over there and I’m contemplating it. I kind hope my permit takes it’s time coming through. We’ve had so much rain the last few weeks I’m afraid if they dug everything would just collapse. It’s been way too wet down here.
 

Dirk

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If it's any help: my shallow end is 3.5'. That's good for the kids and for general swimming (though I don't do any flip turns, not sure how much water you need for those). But I like to swim under water and 3.5' is a tad shy of what I need to do that. 4' would keep my feet from breaking the surface.

Got any friends with pools in which you can compare depths?
 

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brentkhack

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Nov 20, 2017
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Hey man, I love the Polk 6 and 8 as they can get loud if needed. I used the 6's for as the left/right speakers while the 8 is the center. The left speaker covers my ledge and spa. The center 8 covers the middle pool and the right is for the table area. I have the receiver in the bedroom above where the Polk 8 is located. I have a good internet setup which allows me to control the receiver from my phone so I can have full control while swimming. For the manual fill I have a spigot by the equipment pad and the PVC pipe the goes into the pool.
My pool is on the side of the house, so I paid someone to install these double doors for an excellent view from the inside. Screenshot_20180930-130132_Gallery.jpg20180930_130023.jpg
 

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Jbrillo

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Jun 11, 2018
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League City, Texas
Hey man, I love the Polk 6 and 8 as they can get loud if needed. I used the 6's for as the left/right speakers while the 8 is the center. The left speaker covers my ledge and spa. The center 8 covers the middle pool and the right is for the table area. I have the receiver in the bedroom above where the Polk 8 is located. I have a good internet setup which allows me to control the receiver from my phone so I can have full control while swimming. For the manual fill I have a spigot by the equipment pad and the PVC pipe the goes into the pool.
My pool is on the side of the house, so I paid someone to install these double doors for an excellent view from the inside.

Your backyard looks great! I like the drone shot. I may need to get me one. I’m thinking about getting a pair of 6’s. What do you have them connected to? I plan on connecting them to the receiver in our game room(closest to where the pool will be). I get a great signal and should be able to stream anything. Did you wire it yourself or did you get someone to do it?

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Dirk,

I’m already looking into switching to 4’ Depth on both sides.
 

brentkhack

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Nov 20, 2017
105
TX
Your backyard looks great! I like the drone shot. I may need to get me one. I’m thinking about getting a pair of 6’s. What do you have them connected to? I plan on connecting them to the receiver in our game room(closest to where the pool will be). I get a great signal and should be able to stream anything. Did you wire it yourself or did you get someone to do it?

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Dirk,

I’m already looking into switching to 4’ Depth on both sides.

The drone is fun to use, I have some great pics of the neighborhood. I upgraded the family room receiver and used the old one to power up these outdoor speakers. It is an Onkyo TX-626, so it is a few years old, but still works great. I will be getting a set of speakers in that bedroom hooked up to the same receiver and since it has 2 zones. I can play different music in each zone. I did wire it myself, but I haven't painted the wires yet. I have them ran along the morter between the bricks and will be painting the wires that color to help blend.
 

Jbrillo

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Jun 11, 2018
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League City, Texas
Still looks good. I didn’t even notice the speaker wire till you pointed it out. I like how you don’t have neighbors directly behind you either. At least they’re across the street.
 

Jbrillo

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League City, Texas
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These guys were here before the sun was even close to being up. Talked to them for a little bit. They were very friendly. Told them to help themselves to Gatorade and water in the ice chest. Can’t beilive this day has finally come.
 

kimkats

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Let the MUD begin! :party:

I am going ahead to give you your "job" for this part of the build. When they leave head out to the mud pit with your plans and a measure tape. Is it deep, wide, long, etc enough? Add about 8" to each wall and the bottom for the steel, guinite, and plaster.

Kim:kim:
 

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