Thanks, Uncle Salty. We have a local longstanding reputable builder who really pushes this "Permacrete" method of doing the vinyl, even though he does gunite as well. I don't know if he pushes the vinyl for his own good, but he sold me on it and so far so good. I think if we did gunite, I couldn't afford something like this and we would've had to go with something more plain, maybe drop the spa. For some reason I chose not to hear when people said the actual pool cost is just half the total costs. For me, that was very true. We're plugging away at landscaping as well. Using a landscape company for the heavy work, and I'm doing the labor-intensive stuff myself.