Looking at building a pool / need some feedback

boomer2015

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OK, I see them now. Maybe a bit small? Give some thought to how many steps (which determines the height from step to step). If this is your forever home, you'll need an easy way out someday too (as will your grammy and gramps). I would think you'll get some traffic between pool and spa, folks and kids going back and forth a lot. Steps over there might be nice. You have a lot going on behind the pool: pergola and sitting areas, you do kinda need a path in and out from both sides of the pool.
Thanks for the advice! We'll certainly take a look at that. I'm sure our boys will be jumping off the wall for quite a few years as they grow up. But I do think steps over by the deep end would be a decent idea.




Is that a big stone feature overhanging the pool? A jumping rock maybe? My kids looooove the jumping rock. 👍 Just keep in mind: any stone work that penetrates the water (this goes for stone on wall and spa, too), can turn into a cleaning problem. Read here about effervescence. It leaches out of, and collects on, stone that is subjected to water and evaporation and is not fun to clean. That's why there is edge tile: a nice smooth, easy-to-clean material. Stone descending into water is a very nice look, just be aware of what you're getting into if your pool has a lot of that.

It is a jump rock! I'm super excited about it for our boys but my wife is indifferent. I don't really want it over hanging the water by more than 8-10 inches though....
 

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Mine is back a few inches, so no overhang. No problem for the kids jumping off, they clear the coping easily. Kids and friends use it all the time. My middle one usually gets out first and just sits on it, like his perch, while he waits for everyone else to be done. Safer and better looking than a diving board!
 

boomer2015

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Well we finally received the design from the other PB and to be honest we like it better. Still need to see some actual dimensions/list of equipment, etc. Here is the newest design....Screen Shot 2020-10-03 at 9.09.12 AM.png
He has the pergola sized at 12x12 but I'm sure we can need more room and trying to find a decent way to make it all fit. We will eventually have a back bar/grill/sink/fridge in there so we want to make sure we have the room when we build.
 

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I like the overall shape of it and how it fits with the house. The one thing I am sure about is the wall between teh seating and the pool. It will block the sight line into the pool from there.

Kim:kim:
 

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Kim's right. The wall, and the spa, too, are going to create blind spots where you won't be able to watch swimmers in the water, including kids under the dive rock, while sitting in certain spots on the far side.

Regarding the pergola size, are you going to have a table under there? Tables can be huge in terms of the space they need. And sometimes that's not obvious until it's too late. It's the size of the table, and all the chairs, but chairs pulled out a foot or more from the table, and then 3' of clearance beyond that (to allow folks to get in and out of chairs, lean or scooch chairs away from the table, and still allow traffic coming and going behind and around all that! It ends up a pretty large dimension, even for a smallish table.

Do you already have the table? Or one of similar size? Pull the chairs out and add 3' all around that and measure. You'll see what I mean. And if you're going to add sun shades over or along the sides of the pergola, that's something else that makes them feel smaller.

Personally, I don't have any use for a "roof" that consists of 2x2s spaced 6" apart (if that's what you've got there). Doesn't provide any relief from the sun, or protection from rain. First thing I did to mine when I bought the house was to put a proper roof on each. That's where we hide from the sun. And I like to go out and sit under them when it's raining, too. (Protects my furniture, too.) I added sun shades on the west side. Around 3 or 4 o'clock the roof doesn't block the sun enough, and after that the sun would be quite annoying without the shades. My landscaping provides some of the sun blocking, so that is something to consider about your landscaping and plant selection.

The rendering doesn't indicate what is bordering the pergola. So depending on what that's going to be, you might want to have the landscaping extend more towards the pergola, at least along that one side, to create a nice backdrop and possibly a sun block.
 

boomer2015

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Kim's right. The wall, and the spa, too, are going to create blind spots where you won't be able to watch swimmers in the water, including kids under the dive rock, while sitting in certain spots on the far side.

Regarding the pergola size, are you going to have a table under there? Tables can be huge in terms of the space they need. And sometimes that's not obvious until it's too late. It's the size of the table, and all the chairs, but chairs pulled out a foot or more from the table, and then 3' of clearance beyond that (to allow folks to get in and out of chairs, lean or scooch chairs away from the table, and still allow traffic coming and going behind and around all that! It ends up a pretty large dimension, even for a smallish table.

Do you already have the table? Or one of similar size? Pull the chairs out and add 3' all around that and measure. You'll see what I mean. And if you're going to add sun shades over or along the sides of the pergola, that's something else that makes them feel smaller.

Personally, I don't have any use for a "roof" that consists of 2x2s spaced 6" apart (if that's what you've got there). Doesn't provide any relief from the sun, or protection from rain. First thing I did to mine when I bought the house was to put a proper roof on each. That's where we hide from the sun. And I like to go out and sit under them when it's raining, too. (Protects my furniture, too.) I added sun shades on the west side. Around 3 or 4 o'clock the roof doesn't block the sun enough, and after that the sun would be quite annoying without the shades. My landscaping provides some of the sun blocking, so that is something to consider about your landscaping and plant selection.

The rendering doesn't indicate what is bordering the pergola. So depending on what that's going to be, you might want to have the landscaping extend more towards the pergola, at least along that one side, to create a nice backdrop and possibly a sun block.

I can see what you're saying. The pergola in a rendering is just a placeholder for the future as it's not currently in the budget. It could be a pavilion which we would rather have anyway. As far as size, what's in the rendering is too small but we're waiting on revisions for what it may look like if it were a 14'x14' inside dimensions.

I'll mention the walls blocking vision into the pool to the wife and see what she thinks and go from there.

Good news for us is this PB only installs SWCG standard. The other PB's it was an upgrade and they all had something bad to say about it.
 
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Gotcha. That's what the software had handy for a placeholder!

I can read a blueprint as well as anybody, but sometimes I need to picture things, too, especially when it comes to how dimensions translate real-world. I once built a kitchen island out of cardboard, and lived with it like that for at least a month before I finalized its dimensions. I was worried about clearances and how it would feel, the height, etc. I prepped on it, and ate off it, too!

If you're inclined, once you have the design close, you could plot everything out, full size, in the yard. Stakes and string style. Do both pool and deck. If you have furniture, put it in place. Or use stakes and strings for that, too. You could even simulate the wall and spa with some boxes. Sit in the furniture. Walk around it and the pool, etc. Now's the time...
 
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Did you decide against auto-leveling (auto-filler and overflow)? It's not specified. Also, there's no mention of a cleaning system. No mention of the type and brand of valves on the pad, or how the skimmer(s) and returns are to be plumbed. That quote is barely a parts list, doesn't include much in the way of details, details that can add up, or leave you wanting, in the end. Perhaps that's the way pool "contracts" look?
 

boomer2015

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Did you decide against auto-leveling (auto-filler and overflow)? It's not specified. Also, there's no mention of a cleaning system. No mention of the type and brand of valves on the pad, or how the skimmer(s) and returns are to be plumbed. That quote is barely a parts list, doesn't include much in the way of details, details that can add up, or leave you wanting, in the end. Perhaps that's the way pool "contracts" look?
I've added the pool equipment pool specs below not sure why they wouldn't have been included in the agreement.
 

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Valves and robot look good. But those specs are not part of the agreement? Then technically the PB can substitute any way he chooses to...

I'd want to know if the plumbing (returns and skimmer(s)) will "home run" back to the pad, or be assembled in some other way.
 

boomer2015

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Valves and robot look good. But those specs are not part of the agreement? Then technically the PB can substitute any way he chooses to...

I'd want to know if the plumbing (returns and skimmer(s)) will "home run" back to the pad, or be assembled in some other way.
I completely agree and will have those things added to the agreement. I've been told they will be "home runs" but will also have that added as well.
 
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