I think my PB’s electrician wired stuff non standard

[ScudBar61]

i decided to do the Intellicenter upgrade from the EasyTouch. Things went smoothly and everything works fine. I am thinking about upgrading to a SCG so I really started looking at the wiring. Based on the diagram on the panel, I got really confused by his wiring and it appears to be nothing like the diagram..

1). The black and red wires from the 30 amp breaker run to the Aux2 power relay position.
2). Aux 1 and the filter pump power relay positions are wired from the Aux2 relay position.
3). On the Intellicenter control panel, Aux 1 is the Polaris booster pump and Aux 2 is the Jandy blower. They both work as labeled. I can turn both of those on without turning on the filter pump.
4) Aux 3 relay position are the lights. They work normally.
5). There is not a relay in the aux 4 position, but there are in positions 5-8. On the Intellicenter panel, the connectors are in the 4-7 positions (I directly transferred connectors from EasyTouch board to the Intellicenter board). They are unused, so not really too concerned about them.

I attached some pictures. I certainly appreciate any thoughts you have.

 

[Jimrahbe]

61,

No installer worth anything would install things differently than what is shown on the diagram on panel door.. Not because it makes any operational difference, but it prevents easy troubleshooting by the next tech that needs to know what is what.

You can put any number on your house and it has no impact on your house itself, it is still on the same lot. But none of your mail would get delivered...

The same thing for your EasyTouch, or your new IntelliCenter. Operationally, it does not matter which relay location is used, as long as the relay is wired correctly and plugged into the correct port on the main card.

Your Pump/Filter relay 'should' be in the upper left of the panel, but any relay can be used as the Pump/Filter relay, as long as it is plugged into the pump/filter connector on the main card.

Your choice is to rewire everything so that it is 'technically' correct, or use it as is..

In the small picture, if it is working, why change it..??

In my case, it would quickly drive me insane, until I fixed it..

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[ScudBar61]

Jim R.
Thanks for the reply. It’s kinda bugging me right now and I’m kind of an OCD type of guy. I’m also a little unsettled about adding the SCG to a power relay that is already tied to the the filter pump, booster pump, and the blower.
I’m going to start planning
Cheers
Scott

 

[Jimrahbe]

Scott,

If you have an IntelliFlo, it should get constant AC power... It is not supposed to be wired through the Pump/Filter relay.

If you get a SWCG, it MUST be wired to the load side of the Pump/Filter relay..

Follow the little 2-wire coil cable from the Pump/Filter connector on the main card and follow it back and see which physical relay it is connected to..

Running the IntelliFlo and the SWCG from the same power source (breaker) is not a problem. You can power the booster pump and blower from another breaker, there is not reason for them to get power from the same breaker as the pump is using.

I see your panel says the pool light breaker is a GFCI breaker, but it sure does not look like a GFCI breaker to me...

As a quick test, put your system into the Service mode, and wait about a minute.. Then, go look at your pump's display and tell be if it shows an RPM display of some kind, or if the display is blank.. Please tell me what you find.

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[ScudBar61]

Jim,
I was wondering about the GFCI. I think the electrician went cheap. I’ll do the pump thing tomorrow. We got some rain going right now.
Thanks
Scott

 

[AQUA~HOLICS]

When the electrician has OCD.

 

[ScudBar61]

Wow!! im inspired

 

[ajw22]

When the electrician has OCD.View attachment 556036View attachment 556037

Pffft..,

He only wited one full relay.

I would like to see how his wiring looks on a full panel with all 8 relays connected to devices.

 

[ScudBar61]

Jim R.
Good morning.
1) I went to service mode on the panel and the Intelliflo pump panel showed 0 RPM.

2). Traced wiring and relays. The filter pump relay is connected to the Intellicenter filter pump circuit. The filter pump black wire goes to line 1 on the filter pump relay. The filter pump red wire goes to line 2 on the filter pump relay. The heater black wire goes to load 1 on the filter pump relay. The heater red wire goes to load 2 on the filter pump relay.

3). Aux 1 relay is connected to the correct position on the circuit board. The Polaris booster pump black wire is connected to Aux 1 load 1 and red to load 2.

4). Aux 2 relay is connected to the correct position on the circuit board. The Jandy blower
red wire is connected to Aux 2 load 1 and the black wire is connected to load 2. This seems backward to me.

5). The 30AMP 2 pole circuit breaker black wire goes to Aux 2 relay line 1. The breaker red wire goes to Aux 2 relay line 2.

6). There are wires connecting Aux 2 relay line 1 to Aux 1 relay line 1 to filter pump relay line 1. There are wires connecting the relays‘ line 2 in the same manner. So it looks like the filter pump, booster pump, spa blower and heater are all running off the same breaker.

I’m planning on changing the lighting breaker to a GFCI. Do you think I should change all of the breakers to GFCI?

Thinking about adding two more 2 pole breakers. One breaker to filter pump by itself. One breaker connected to filter pump relay with heater and SCG on load side of relay. Use existing 2 pole breaker for Aux 1 and Aux 2 relays for booster pump and spa blower loads. Would that work or is there a better way?

I‘m wondering about the wire reversal on the Jandy blower. It seems to operate normally. Should I worry about that?

Thanks!!
Scott

 

[Jimrahbe]

61,

So not at all as bad as it initially appeared...

240 volts has two hots.. One called L1 and the other L2.. It does not matter which is which. In your case, having the Red and Black wires swapped on a relay will not make any difference, as long at you still have L1 and L2.

Since you had an RPM display in the Service mode, it means your Pump/Filter relay is wired correctly

Your plan sounds ok to me..

The pump should have a GFCI breaker, but I do not see that as a major issue.

The pool light requires a GFCI breaker, if 120 volts goes to the light in the pool... If you have a low voltage light in the pool and there is a transformer between the light assy and the breaker, then breaker does not need to be GFCI..

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[ScudBar61]

Cool! Thanks!!