I have 2 drains- so I don’t need the new safety style type- that causes my robot cleaner to get stuck. Pool is ~20yrs old? Anyone know what/where to find a replacement like this?
Help Finding Flat Drain Cover
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follow up- zoomed in on the faded possible logo on this cover. Maybe this can help identify the brand?
Sloth,
I'm pretty sure no one makes them any more... But I have been wrong many times before...
Every dual drain set-up I have seen still has raised covers...
Thanks,
Jim R.
I'm pretty sure no one makes them any more... But I have been wrong many times before...
Every dual drain set-up I have seen still has raised covers...
Thanks,
Jim R.
All drain covers need to be certified to the most current standards.
Single drains are usually raised.
Large unblockable drains can sometimes be flat.
Most likely, you will only be able to find a raised cover.
It looks like there is a part number on the part.
Can you see the number?
Maybe use some blue chalk to highlight the numbers for better contrast.
What are the dimensions of the cover including the spacing of the screws?
Single drains are usually raised.
Large unblockable drains can sometimes be flat.
Most likely, you will only be able to find a raised cover.
It looks like there is a part number on the part.
Can you see the number?
Maybe use some blue chalk to highlight the numbers for better contrast.
What are the dimensions of the cover including the spacing of the screws?
Diameter?
The only flat covers I've seen in the last "forever" years are channel drains. Many, many years ago I had a custom cover made for an obsolete cover at a local plastics shop, Tap Plastics. Certainly won't actually meet any modern code, but was better than an open suction port in a commercial pool.
Ok it measures about 7 1/2 - 7 3/4” across and the screws are about 7 1/4” apart.
Any suggestions on where to find these?
Any suggestions on where to find these?
Check with Hayward, Jandy, Pentair, CMP, Aquastar etc.
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Even with split drains, the covers manufactured today must meet the Federal VGB-act standard and be considered un-blockable. Flat covers do not meet that standard and are no longer made or sold in this country.
Polaris makes a 5820 Unibridge cover that is designed to stop the issue you are having or anticipate having. Rather expensive.
Some have used the Paramount SDX Retro successfully with a robot. Its shape seems to not allow a robot to get caught.
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It looks like a Pool Drain Cover CSI 4-1-10-20.
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It is no longer made.
You can disable the drain and fill it in to make it safe.
There will probably not be a suitable drain cover available.
It is illegal and unsafe to install a drain cover that is not Certified to current regulations.
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Pool Drain Cover CSI 4-1-10-20 - STLFinder
IMPORTANT NOTE: Strong thanks to Proxy 303 who advised me of the Virginia Graeme Baker (VGB) Pool & Spa Safety Act, requiring pool & spa drain covers conform to entrapment protections per ASME/ANSI A112. I've deleted the STL, and recommend replacing any printed covers with an approved model...
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It is no longer made.
You can disable the drain and fill it in to make it safe.
There will probably not be a suitable drain cover available.
It is illegal and unsafe to install a drain cover that is not Certified to current regulations.
Main drain cover busted
OK, somehow my 17 year old managed to bust the main drain cover in my pool..even though it was 8 1/2 feet down. I'm having a hard time trying to locate a replacement. It's got a big hole in it. The markings on it are Ccsi (Fancy C__) 4-1-10-20 Any help at all would be appreciated...
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Jandy now owns Caretaker.
See what Jandy has available.
Check with Waterway, CMP, AquaStar, Pentair and Hayward.
Caretaker Systems, Inc. Also known as CSI High performance Pool and Spa equipment is now owned by Zodiac Pool Systems.
They have also been known as Polaris and Jandy.
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See what Jandy has available.
Check with Waterway, CMP, AquaStar, Pentair and Hayward.
Caretaker Systems, Inc. Also known as CSI High performance Pool and Spa equipment is now owned by Zodiac Pool Systems.
They have also been known as Polaris and Jandy.
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Caretaker Systems, Inc.
Caretaker Systems, Inc.
USPTO Trademarks › Caretaker Systems, Inc. › Csi Application #73464073
Owner: Caretaker Systems, Inc.
Address Suite 108 14415 N. 73rd St. Scottsdale AZ 85260
Legal Entity Type Corporation
Legal Entity State DE
Timeline
1982-10-00 Date of First Use
1984-02-06 Application Filed
1985-01-01 Published for Opposition
1985-03-12 Trademark Registered
2005-03-12 Renewal Date
2005-12-17 Cancelled
2006-09-14 Status: Live/Registered
2008-05-27 Location: SCANNING ON DEMAND
2019-04-02 Transaction Date
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Caretaker Systems, Inc.
USPTO Trademarks › Caretaker Systems, Inc. › Csi Application #73464073
Owner: Caretaker Systems, Inc.
Address Suite 108 14415 N. 73rd St. Scottsdale AZ 85260
Legal Entity Type Corporation
Legal Entity State DE
Timeline
1982-10-00 Date of First Use
1984-02-06 Application Filed
1985-01-01 Published for Opposition
1985-03-12 Trademark Registered
2005-03-12 Renewal Date
2005-12-17 Cancelled
2006-09-14 Status: Live/Registered
2008-05-27 Location: SCANNING ON DEMAND
2019-04-02 Transaction Date
CSI - Caretaker Systems, Inc. Trademark Registration
Trademark registration by Caretaker Systems, Inc. for the trademark CSI.
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It looks like a Pool Drain Cover CSI 4-1-10-20.
Pool Drain Cover CSI 4-1-10-20 - STLFinder
IMPORTANT NOTE: Strong thanks to Proxy 303 who advised me of the Virginia Graeme Baker (VGB) Pool & Spa Safety Act, requiring pool & spa drain covers conform to entrapment protections per ASME/ANSI A112. I've deleted the STL, and recommend replacing any printed covers with an approved model...
It is no longer made.
You can disable the drain and fill it in to make it safe.
There will probably not be a suitable drain cover available.
It is illegal and unsafe to install a drain cover that is not Certified to current regulations.
Main drain cover busted
OK, somehow my 17 year old managed to bust the main drain cover in my pool..even though it was 8 1/2 feet down. I'm having a hard time trying to locate a replacement. It's got a big hole in it. The markings on it are Ccsi (Fancy C__) 4-1-10-20 Any help at all would be appreciated...
It's my understanding that yes, if I only have one drain, then flat covers are illegal. But since I have 2 drains off the same pipe, then that's not the case? 2 drains = no suction danger, right?
On May 24, 2019, the Consumer Product Safety Commission (Commission, or CPSC) issued a direct final rule incorporating sections of APSP–16 2017 as the successor drain cover standard under the Virginia Graeme Baker Pool and Spa Safety Act (VGBA, or Act).
The VGBA, 15 U.S.C. 8001 took effect on December 19, 2008.
The VGBA's purpose is to prevent drain entrapment and child drowning in swimming pools and spas.
In part, the Act requires that drain covers must comply with entrapment protection requirements specified by the joint standard from the American Society of Material Engineers (ASME) and the American National Standards Institute (ANSI), ASME/ANSI A112.19.8 performance standard, or any successor standard.
The VGBA also states that public pools must be equipped with drain covers that meet the requirements of the ASME/ANSI standard or any successor standard.
On February 17, 2011, the Association of Pool and Spa Professionals (APSP) approved the ANSI/APSP/IAPMO–16 2011 standard, Suction Fittings for Use in Swimming Pools, Wading Pools, Spas, and Hot Tubs, to succeed ASME/ANSI A112.19.8–2007. ASME then withdrew ASME/ANSI A112.19.8 2007.
On August 5, 2011, the Commission incorporated APSP–16 2011 into 16 CFR part 1450 as the successor drain cover standard, with an effective date of September 6, 2011. 76 FR 47436 (Aug. 5, 2011).
On August 18, 2017, APSP published APSP–16 2017.
On May 24, 2019, the Commission published a direct final rule in the Federal Register, incorporating portions of APSP–16 2017 into its mandatory drain cover standard, 16 CFR part 1450, with an effective date of November 24, 2020 (84 FR 24021).
The VGBA, 15 U.S.C. 8001 took effect on December 19, 2008.
The VGBA's purpose is to prevent drain entrapment and child drowning in swimming pools and spas.
In part, the Act requires that drain covers must comply with entrapment protection requirements specified by the joint standard from the American Society of Material Engineers (ASME) and the American National Standards Institute (ANSI), ASME/ANSI A112.19.8 performance standard, or any successor standard.
The VGBA also states that public pools must be equipped with drain covers that meet the requirements of the ASME/ANSI standard or any successor standard.
On February 17, 2011, the Association of Pool and Spa Professionals (APSP) approved the ANSI/APSP/IAPMO–16 2011 standard, Suction Fittings for Use in Swimming Pools, Wading Pools, Spas, and Hot Tubs, to succeed ASME/ANSI A112.19.8–2007. ASME then withdrew ASME/ANSI A112.19.8 2007.
On August 5, 2011, the Commission incorporated APSP–16 2011 into 16 CFR part 1450 as the successor drain cover standard, with an effective date of September 6, 2011. 76 FR 47436 (Aug. 5, 2011).
On August 18, 2017, APSP published APSP–16 2017.
On May 24, 2019, the Commission published a direct final rule in the Federal Register, incorporating portions of APSP–16 2017 into its mandatory drain cover standard, 16 CFR part 1450, with an effective date of November 24, 2020 (84 FR 24021).
This standard establishes new requirements for markings, instructions, material durability, physical testing and flow rate certification procedures for Suction Outlet Fitting Assemblies (SOFA).
This updated version includes a Provisional Amendment (PA) approved on March 19, 2021, addressing storable pool integral SOFA.
Products and components regulated by this standard are collectively referred to as Drain Covers under the federal law that regulates them.
SOFAs are designed for use in any pool, hot tub, spa or other aquatic venue that is intended for swimming or recreational bathing.
Under the federal Virginia Graeme Baker Pool and Spa Safety Act (VGBA), product components certified on or after November 24, 2020 are required to comply with this version of the standard.
This version includes appendices to help designers, manufacturers, test laboratories, and Registered Design Professionals achieve consistent certification results in accordance with the revised standard and the VGBA.
ANSI/APSP/ICC-16 2017 (PA) American National Standard for Suction Outlet Fitting Assemblies (SOFA).
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The American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME) and American National Standards Institute (ANSI) established the guidelines and testing standards required.
Specifically, the VGBA references the ASME/ANSI A112.19.8 performance standard and/or any successor standard.
The Consumer Product Safety Commission incorporates sections of ANSI/APSP/ICC-16 2017 as the successor SOFA drain cover standard.
This newer standard includes stricter testing standards, with additional considerations for flow rates, pipe sizes, and sump depths.
This updated version includes a Provisional Amendment (PA) approved on March 19, 2021, addressing storable pool integral SOFA.
Products and components regulated by this standard are collectively referred to as Drain Covers under the federal law that regulates them.
SOFAs are designed for use in any pool, hot tub, spa or other aquatic venue that is intended for swimming or recreational bathing.
Under the federal Virginia Graeme Baker Pool and Spa Safety Act (VGBA), product components certified on or after November 24, 2020 are required to comply with this version of the standard.
This version includes appendices to help designers, manufacturers, test laboratories, and Registered Design Professionals achieve consistent certification results in accordance with the revised standard and the VGBA.
ANSI/APSP/ICC-16 2017 (PA) American National Standard for Suction Outlet Fitting Assemblies (SOFA).
ANSI/APSP/ICC-16 2017 (PA) American National Standard for Suction Outlet Fitting Assemblies (SOFA)
This standard establishes new requirements for markings, instructions, material durability, physical testing and flow rate certification procedures for Suction Outlet Fitting Assemblies (SOFA). This updated version includes a Provisional Amendment (PA) approved on March 19, 2021, addressing...
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The American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME) and American National Standards Institute (ANSI) established the guidelines and testing standards required.
Specifically, the VGBA references the ASME/ANSI A112.19.8 performance standard and/or any successor standard.
The Consumer Product Safety Commission incorporates sections of ANSI/APSP/ICC-16 2017 as the successor SOFA drain cover standard.
This newer standard includes stricter testing standards, with additional considerations for flow rates, pipe sizes, and sump depths.
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