Freeze Protection

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Hkdman

Hkdman

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Oct 31, 2021
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Allen, TX
Pool Size
18000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair iChlor 30
Hello! Quick question - It has gotten colder, so my freeze protection has kicked on. According to ScreenLogic - my pool temp is 46 degrees and it does say Freeze Mode - Enabled. I notice that the pump is running 24 hours a day with the freeze mode - but my remembrance from last year is that the pool would kick on about every 15 minutes, run for 15 minutes and then kick off. Also - I seem to recall the freeze mode turning on at a lower temp (like around 30 degrees). Just curious if anyone has any ideas - is this normal behavior or is it a settings type thing?
 
Hdk,

Any time the air temp gets below about 35 degrees that freeze protect will come on..

And then, the air temp has to come up above 35 degrees by a degree or two, before the freeze control will shut off.

I just run 24/7, mostly at 1200 RPM, so I never have to even think about freeze control. :mrgreen:

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
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Sorry - I am being really slow today :) So I understand now that when the air temp hits 35 degrees, the freeze control is enabled. My question is, once enabled, does the pump come on and stay on until the temp goes above 35 degrees? I am asking this because my understanding was that when freeze protection was enabled, that the pump would come on for 15 minutes, shut off for 15, and then keep repeating until the temp goes above 35 degrees. Also - it seems like the pump comes on at full RPM 3450. Is that normal? Just worried that I am burning through electricity costs! Thanks!
 
Hkd,

If you have a spa, then normally the pump comes on and the system switches between the Pool mode and the Spa mode, every 15 minutes. If you did not have a spa, the pump would come on and stay on.

You can set the speed you want the pump to run when in freeze control.. Just like you set the speed of your pump when in the Pool mode, you can do the same when in the freeze mode.

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You select the 'freeze' circuit and add the speed you want the pump to run.

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
I think it is the pool - The spa spillover has the normal amount of water flowing over and then my sheer descents are on - I believe all of that is associated with the main pool. Yes - I have screen logic on my computer (although not that knowledgeable about it)
 

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The first pic shows the Freeze Mode is on and currently the Pool and Bubblers are on. The second pic shows that the pool is set at 3000 RPM and the Bubblers at 2300 RPM (although the bubblers would actaully be at the same RPM since it is all the same plumbing/pump). I don't see a way to add Freeze Protection as one of the options for pump speed. Looking at the RPM at the bottom of pic #2 - it is running at 3450


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Also - I tried to "Add Program" under settings - cycling through the available circuit options, I see: Lights, Pool, Waterfall, Bubblers, Spa, Cleaner, Air Blower

I don't see any option for Freeze Protection - is that something that would be on the main control panel?
 
I think I figured it out - went to the control box - the Cleaner was set with Freeze protection on. I don't use the pressure side cleaner anymore (I went with a robot cleaner over the summer). Anyway - the cleaner was set at 3450 speed. So it looks like the freeze mode was defaulting to 3450. Set Cleaner to no Freeze Protection - and it went down.

Here is my question though - the pump is on all the time. it is not switching between pool and spa - should I have it switch between pool and spa - or is it ok to just leave it on pool?
 
Hkd,

I assume you have one pump.. If so, the pump will run at the fastest speed it sees.. So, looking at your last post, pool is set to run at 3000 rpm and your bubblers are set to run at 2300 rpm.. This means that the pump will run at 3000 rpm.. My pump runs mostly at 1200 rpm.. Your pump should never need to run that fast..

I suspect that your Spa Circuit is not set up as on with freeze... See below.. (Note.. I do not use freeze control, that is why all of my are set to 'no'.

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In our area for this storm that is coming up, I suspect that just running in the pool mode with the spa spillover will work just fine. That said, I do not have a spa, so have no real experience with them in the winter.

In the Flow Rate picture above.. you can adjust your pump speeds right there.

Freeze control will not show up on the programs page. It is part of the set up routine. Configure ScreenLogic tab in the lower right..

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Thanks,

Jim R.
 
@Jimrahbe I was curious what you (or anyone else) thinks about this idea. It looks like we are somewhat close to each other geographically speaking so I figure you know about our weather patterns. When it is not cold - I currently have the pool set to run from 12PM - 6PM. I set the pump at 3450 - mainly becasue it makes the Sheer Decent (waterfall) feature really look nice. When the weather dropped to 35 or below, I set it to run on freeze protection at 2500. The reason I set it at 2500 is that any lower and the sheer decents don't really work and it is more of a trickle down my pool wall. However, I am thinking of running a new system - so would love your thoughts.

When it is not on Freeze Guard:
I set the pool RPM for 1400. This pretty much runs all day.
Since I do like the look of the Sheer Decent - maybe for 2 or 3 hours, I have the pump run at 3000 so I can enjoy the effect a few hours a day.

When Freeze Guard needs to come on, I set the pump for 2500.

Just thinking that this may save me a bunch of money instead of keeping the pump at 3450 for 6 hours per day....what do you think?
 
I think that is a smart plan.

As to the 1400, clean your filter, then lower your pump speed until the flow switch turns off. Then add 200 rpm and use that as your low speed. It will allow you to run slow, and have enough speed to overcome a dirty filter.
 
Hkd,

Given almost any situation, I like slower and longer, much better than faster but shorter..

If you did not enjoy your sheers so much, I would recommend that you shut them off and drain the plumbing going to the sheers for the winter..

But, I see that will not work for you... :mrgreen:

I see nothing wrong with what you want to do.

Just as a reference... I run my 3 HP IntelliFlo 24/7, mostly at 1200 rpm, and the cost is less than $20 bucks a month.. The point being, slower is much better when it comes to electrical costs..

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
Hmm...I am not opposed to shutting down the sheers for the winter - but what would be involved in draining the water. Do I just shut the valve off that leads to the Sheers or is there something more involved? If more involved, I probably wouldn't try to mess with it too much.
 

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