Diferent Circupool Models output?

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2x a week (or 1x a week if you are lazy) is all that is needed. (and doing a FAS-DPD with 1/2 the water is good enough for a spot check on the half week.) It was, of course stable for several weeks, and then when the pot wasn't watched, the water boiled. :)* I am guessing it started raising the water about 1.5 PPM a day and over 14 days that was enough. But yeah, with that unit and a 14-15Kgal pool it was awfully easy to over do it. That's why I think it would be a perfectly adequate unit for your 22Kgal pool. It's rated at and appears to slightly exceed 2 lbs/day Cl- at 100% run time/24 hr/day. The more expensive series units are rated more than 40K at 2 lb/day.... so there is that...

*But this brings up the whole "Trouble Free Pool isn't a maintenance free pool". You'll definitely be using and adding more acid and you still have to check levels. You'll like not be adding anything except acid once you get the SWCG up... a bit extra CYA at the beginning. I am running my CYA a little lower than TFP recommendations because of the big oversized SWCG.. I am running CYA 50 and I am happy with it at that level...
 
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2x a week (or 1x a week if you are lazy) is all that is needed. (and doing a FAS-DPD with 1/2 the water is good enough for a spot check on the half week.) It was, of course stable for several weeks, and then when the pot wasn't watched, the water boiled. :)* I am guessing it started raising the water about 1.5 PPM a day and over 14 days that was enough. But yeah, with that unit and a 14-15Kgal pool it was awfully easy to over do it. That's why I think it would be a perfectly adequate unit for your 22Kgal pool. It's rated at and appears to slightly exceed 2 lbs/day Cl- at 100% run time/24 hr/day. The more expensive series units are rated more than 40K at 2 lb/day.... so there is that...

*But this brings up the whole "Trouble Free Pool isn't a maintenance free pool". You'll definitely be using and adding more acid and you still have to check levels. You'll like not be adding anything except acid once you get the SWCG up... a bit extra CYA at the beginning. I am running my CYA a little lower than TFP recommendations because of the big oversized SWCG.. I am running CYA 50 and I am happy with it at that level...
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1-2x/week sounds like a winner to me! I was doing things daily past summer, and when I skipped a couple days I ended up with a beautiful green pool :)
Still have a couple months to decide what to buy, but right now I'm comparing these 2: the universal $800 (never seems on sale, hayward compatible and proven, 2.0lb/day but old) vs. Edge 40 $1000 ($1 upgrade thingy, normally $1200? newer, better warranty but only 1.7lb/day), hard to say which one is better? probably fine with either ones right
 
The Universal has been good so far. I did it because it's way oversized and has the displays of the more expensive units. Lots of info on what's inside of them on the internet, it's almost exactly the same as the Hayward but without a "remote" RS-422 chip (they display still has the LED!) and the display board is laid out with the LED's horizontally instead of vertically. Most, if not all, of the power board info out there is identical though. The cons are shorter cell life (but cheaper replacement cells, and at the time still lower cost over the lifecycle) and the PVC cell which, having the display, isn't an issue.

Honestly, I probably wouldn't have done the SWCG at the prices that they have them at today. (and I don't think they will go down... we will see....) If you want to go the Universal route, then there are other people who sell the same unit for $100-$150 less..... You take the risk if you do.. but if it is the same manufacturer........meh......
 
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chlorinatorpro said:
Both Ruthenium and Iridium are still at multi-year highs so I wouldn't expect any relief in pricing.
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I still remember your prediction on SWG pricing from a couple years ago...

Salt Cell Price increases

Just giving everyone a heads up here , you are likely going to see a large price increase on salt cells sooner rather than later. The price of Ruthenium which is the main precious material coated on to the titanium plates has seen a price increase of 400% over the past 9 months. The other...
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I still remember your prediction on SWG pricing from a couple years ago...

Salt Cell Price increases

Just giving everyone a heads up here , you are likely going to see a large price increase on salt cells sooner rather than later. The price of Ruthenium which is the main precious material coated on to the titanium plates has seen a price increase of 400% over the past 9 months. The other...
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Glad I bought mine when I did. Not only for pricing but didn’t have to search for chlorine this year like others did
 
Rattus Suffocatus said:
The Universal has been good so far. I did it because it's way oversized and has the displays of the more expensive units. Lots of info on what's inside of them on the internet, it's almost exactly the same as the Hayward but without a "remote" RS-422 chip (they display still has the LED!) and the display board is laid out with the LED's horizontally instead of vertically. Most, if not all, of the power board info out there is identical though. The cons are shorter cell life (but cheaper replacement cells, and at the time still lower cost over the lifecycle) and the PVC cell which, having the display, isn't an issue.

Honestly, I probably wouldn't have done the SWCG at the prices that they have them at today. (and I don't think they will go down... we will see....) If you want to go the Universal route, then there are other people who sell the same unit for $100-$150 less..... You take the risk if you do.. but if it is the same manufacturer........meh......
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I'm interested...what is the warranty term from those other sellers? can you PM me (or post) the seller names or website so i can take a look?
 

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Discount Salt Pool is Circupool who is Discount Salt Pool. Other sellers would have to be searched for in your favorite search engine. Whatever I was looking at isn't valid anymore anyway. Sorry to be so unhelpful, but this is something you can look up as well as I can. As for warranty? Who knows. DSP/Circupool is known to be okay, my only issue with them is that if you ask any sort of technical question about their products they simply do not know. I would assume on their very small staff they have a tech who knows for repairs (though it's at the module level I am sure) but he's not allowed to talk to us. They are in interesting group. They also are a pool build bid clearinghouse in the Houston area. Very small company. Like I had said, I found other sources of the same unit for about $100 less. All of these things are made in China and resold here anyway.

The warranties are all about the same, whether or not they are honored is another issue. The whole dynamics of the industry was different pre-COVID. I'll reiterate that I probably would not have chosen to do the SWCG at today's prices. But I suppose if I really looked into it the bleach is that much higher too... who knows?... If I say more about it I'll be accused of being "too political" again. Best of luck to you.
 
Getting updated quotes from suppliers and soon to be gone is the sub $350 retail price for generic T-15 cells. IMO, if you see prices below $350 come March I'd question just how much coating is on the plates. Probably a lot less than claimed.
 
I'm the oddball that would actually like to replace the cell more often if it costs the same or less over time than the "better cells are". Then the housing, cord, etc are all exposed less to the sun, etc. over their shorter lives. I guess it doesn't matter if the price per total amount of generated chlorine is the same or less. Changing out the cell can be done in literally 2 minutes. Again, why I picked the Universal over the more expensive units from Circupool, I did the spreadsheet. Bang for buck over time was better. Now that I have issues with keeping my TA down and scaling I think I made the correct choice in buying a cell that needs to be replaced more often but total output/time was cheaper.

I think that SWCG's can't get too much more expensive and not be considered a luxury item. Even here in AZ, it cost me about $250 to fill the pool. I do know a lot of people who do just that every two years and use tabs. You are up against that...

Maybe the metals in the cell justify the cost increases. I don't really believe it, but the control units being priced at $300+ dollars in the cost is pure profit, there is maybe $100 worth of parts in mine at China prices. The manufacturers-- strike that-- resellers will eventually figure out they will have to share some of the pain. The cycle will swing the other way...

The other reason is that the complete units went up in price way more than the replacement cells did. If the only rationale was the cell then the new cell +$25 would also be new unit +25 and not +85.... It's more the demand of being forced to stay home... once that's lifted the prices will come back down somewhat or at least stop increasing.
 
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I would suggest going back and reading my previous posts. I don't want to do an advertisement for my product except to say it's 7000 hours. What would you pay for 5000 hours? 2500 hours? Would you still pay $350?
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good point, I guess we'd never know if the ads for rated hours are correct so it we'd have to take their words for it. is there a way to identify how many plates in a cell and guess the rated hours from that, like 13 plates = likely a higher rated hours such as 10k? i havent seen a cell yet so just wondering from what I heard
 
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I'm the oddball that would actually like to replace the cell more often if it costs the same or less over time than the "better cells are". Then the housing, cord, etc are all exposed less to the sun, etc. over their shorter lives. I guess it doesn't matter if the price per total amount of generated chlorine is the same or less. Changing out the cell can be done in literally 2 minutes. Again, why I picked the Universal over the more expensive units from Circupool, I did the spreadsheet. Bang for buck over time was better. Now that I have issues with keeping my TA down and scaling I think I made the correct choice in buying a cell that needs to be replaced more often but total output/time was cheaper.

I think that SWCG's can't get too much more expensive and not be considered a luxury item. Even here in AZ, it cost me about $250 to fill the pool. I do know a lot of people who do just that every two years and use tabs. You are up against that...

Maybe the metals in the cell justify the cost increases. I don't really believe it, but the control units being priced at $300+ dollars in the cost is pure profit, there is maybe $100 worth of parts in mine at China prices. The manufacturers-- strike that-- resellers will eventually figure out they will have to share some of the pain. The cycle will swing the other way...

The other reason is that the complete units went up in price way more than the replacement cells did. If the only rationale was the cell then the new cell +$25 would also be new unit +25 and not +85.... It's more the demand of being forced to stay home... once that's lifted the prices will come back down somewhat or at least stop increasing.
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interesting - has there been any good cost comparison between PUGS, liquid chlorine, and SWG in the long run? I was also thinking about just PUGS + replacing half pool water every time CYA gets too high, and call it a day.
 
caycarem said:
interesting - has there been any good cost comparison between PUGS, liquid chlorine, and SWG in the long run? I was also thinking about just PUGS + replacing half pool water every time CYA gets too high, and call it a day.
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Chlorine Cost Comparison Calculator

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Cost Comparison of Chlorine Sources

I originally posted the following on another forum (I thought I also posted it here, but can't find it). First, I describe exactly what is in chlorinating liquid and bleach as far as we know. I'll use 12.5% chlorinating liquid as an example. This link is a typical example. Though they do not...
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Chlorine price comparison chart

I'm looking for the chlorine price per ounce chart and the old link is no longer working. I have read it is available on the TFP app but I am unable to use apps on my laptop. Is there somewhere else I can find it to use it. I need to buy more chlorine and I want to compare the prices from...
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