Continuation of an odyssey

Fred I have such a sad for you. Here is the only think I can do to make it any better a :hug: and some :cheers: Now bring your wife here to met us so we can support her while she kicks some PB fanny!

Now make sure to keep coming to vent and shout! We SO understand as we have seen it time and again!

Kim (NO cheering on this one!)
 
That’s a nice email. What he really wanted to say was, gee, you know, we’ve delayed everybody’s projects already, for no real reason other than our subs lack of motivation and our lack of planning and attention to detail. But just wanted to let you know that real delays for actual reasons will almost certainly be coming your way. Honest.

Ugh again.
 
OK, so, since my 18 year old is at home watching the dogs, I can admit this in a timely manner. (He is a 2nd degree Olympic style TKD black belt who has competed at the national level once so if need be if someone attacked the house he could take their head off...)

As the rest of the five of us were preparing for the 6ish hour trip to the Grand Canyon, we get a text that the plumbers were coming. Cool I guess. Apparently they were there and even got air into the lines...

So I guess they did the job way before I expected despite saying they couldn't. I don't know what they did looks like because my kid sent what he did photograph on Facebook Messenger and I still can't see it. It's down still for some people, he appears to be one.

Hopefully the monsoons won't collapse the walls of the dig still because now there would be plumbing to worry about.

The Grand Canyon only took 6 million years to be built but it still got done eventually.
 
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Ahhhh secret ninja in the family.
Actually I have two 2nd degree, one who is a first degree and I was only about four months off of it myself when I moved to Arizona. Maybe someday. That attempt was the closest that I ever got. I did not probably say that I wasn't looking, I got "poached", so being not ready to move and doing it in a hurry was pretty fascinating to say the least.

I did see a picture of the plumbing finally and it looks okay, I will know more tomorrow before sundown likely.
 
Glad to hear they got some work done! Have your kid keep an eye on the pressure. Tell him it might move a degree or two with the heat and cooling.

Kim:kim:
What I meant by air in the lines was inside of the house. My son explained that the toilet was broken because it made odd sounds. I thought about saying something about bleeding lines after plumbing has been cut, but he probably never will be an engineer. I am fairly certain that is what it was.
 
OK, well.. I took a couple pictures of the plumbing. Yes a lot of it because I have that evil floor system and all. I also did a little better than yellow caution tape for a temporary fence so the dogs can go out into the yard... Unless those clouds you see actually open up and turn the back yard into a collapsed mud pit. We will see. I would put money on it's coming. We are on the East southeast side of the Tucson metro area on the Foothills of the Santa Ritas and it hits us first and most. (The benefit is about -7F from Tucson). Whereas most of Tucson has been sunny, it's been threatening rain here for two days straight. It's coming.

The dogs took one look at the hole in the ground and were quite impressed with human bone burying skills but decided jumping in would be even too stupid for them, which is a relief.

I will get better pictures of the equipment later, it's kind of a bear to get over there now with the trench open. They left the boxes with the timer and LED light out in the rain so I hauled them in. I think it is more expensive if someone was to "gank" that light than it would be if someone stole my trailer. I am amazed they were so non chalant about leaving the remaining equipment in view from the road. Tucson ain't Iowa, after all.
 

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Good job making a better fence for your dogs! Even my cats would to through the yellow tape :roll:

-Trades leaving stuff laying around=GURRRRRRR REALLY??? I bet if it were THEIR stuff they would care a little more!!! Are they giving you the paper work for any thing like the lights and such? I sure hope so.

Kim:kim:
 
Are they giving you the paper work for any thing like the lights and such? I sure hope so.

Well, they left some of the paperwork in a couple of the boxes (Paramount stuff) but none for the Jandy valves and even more disturbingly none for the Hayward VSP nor Hayward cartridge filter. So, not really. I would have grabbed the stuff as they were doing it but my teenage son didn't think of it, of course. At the same time I was wondering exactly how many jugs of 10% bleach I would have to haul to sanitize the canyon that was in front of me at the time.

So if they still had parts in the box, I found a manual. The ones completely installed... No.. I haven't checked my trash nor recycling yet. Good Idea tomorrow... Thanks...

The parts for that temporary fence were about $40 from Lowe's and Ace. I will reuse the redwood slats to hide the A/C units and the pump after the pool is done.

I also plan on shading the equipment as even one year old equipment here starts to look bad from UV. It's really intense. I swear the PV panels here sun fade!
 

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Nice that you will be able to reuse the nice fence you made. What will you be using for the cover for the equipment? It looks like you have some skills so I guessing it will look nice as well as being functional!

Kim:kim:
 
I have, actually, it is partially what gave me the idea. It's going to be a bit tricky as the fence to block off the A/C and the equipment needs to go where the autofill line is but it's still doable if I am careful and do all the work by hand.

As for shading the equipment, I am not sure yet.. I don't have a lot of room left on that side and I still want to be able to get my trailer through there, so it's not going to be wide. I will have to improvise.

I am attaching a picture of the walls and gate I built on the other side for the dogs and so I don't have to install two of those silly alarms. The garage has a side door that otherwise would need to be alarmed. Also built of redwood but permanent, obviously. My junk will be on the sides...

The crazy thing is that I have had to readjust that gate three times because of the Arizona sun literally kiln drying the wood. You can literally see it shrinking!

So yeah I have "skills". My boss at work asked me if I would be digging my own pool. He actually thought that I could.That is about the level I would rather have someone else do the work. I did the electrical on the portable spa I have and it passed inspection with flying colors.IMG_20190707_183508254_HDR.jpg
 
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So since nothing else is happening with building the pool except for them coming out and putting their sign back up....I'll post my lingering concerns at the time being to keep this thread alive...

So, I have a theoretical question that I do know will be "it depends on the personality of the pool" type answer (or even you should calculate it out in pool math), however, just because it's been sorta nagging at me for awhile, how much liquid chlorine do you think I will need to use on a weekly basis if CYA is properly adjusted (say to 50 ppm) on a properly balanced pool to about 15K gallons? Ballpark? I probably am more interested in someone in a similar situation actuals than a calculation anyway...

I am just trying to figure logistics out of buying and storing the chemicals at present since there isn't anything else I can do at this point. One thing about houses here is there is zippo, nada storage area. Which is hard coming from a 1152 sqft garage and a 1500 sq ft 1/4 not finished basement, trust me.

IF I get lucky the rebar crew might come next week, but they are still scheduled for 7/31. I'm really quite ticked because if the walls don't collapse in the monsoon we will eventually get, I will otherwise be pumping mud out of the hole with my utility pump, I guarantee. (If I don't that will delay them more!)

I took a good look at the plumbing and I think the autofill is unfortunately plumbed to the hard water line (even though I requested otherwise-- I left for two days, see what I get?), so that should be an interesting and challenging fix for me in the future. I am not sure how to change that internally in the house, and if I did it would be expensive. In Tucson, I may very well put a little plastic shed up and buy a cheap water softener for the pool and also use it to store everything else except liquid chlorine. I do see a SWCG in the future just to help clean everything up, but the overall hardness and scaling here scares me. Yes I am aware I don't want to fill with soft, but refilling on an autofill should be desirable.

Our water here seems to be more minerals than water, and even though it varies from 150 ppm Ca/Mg hardness to about 330 ppm depending on season according to the water epartment, if you run a TDS meter on it it's like 500+ ppm year around.. so who knows what it is filled with? I've never gotten a reply when I've asked the water department. Almost every pool I see here has (bad) scaling at the water line so I am trying to also plan in advance on how to fight that.

Is there any value to me sending a sample off to a reliable lab to see what metals are in the water? If I didn't brew my beer from RO here (I think the water here is hopeless for that purpose) I might have already sent a sample off.
 
Right now ... I would guess you will need around 4ppm per day (maybe 3, maybe 5), although greatly depends on the pool's sun exposure.
My CYA is up around 75ppm, but since the SWG issues I am having, we are adding about 3.5ppm FC per day of bleach (well the 12.5% stuff from E Konomy Pools who sell in refillable containers).

Have them fix the auto-fill now if you requested a different connection ... certainly would be good to be on the soft side.

Even without high CH levels (I am lucky and on a semi-private well with 80ppm CH), you will get a white line around the tile. This is not really "scaling" so much as just the deposits left behind due to the high evaporation rates.
 
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I will tell you about my chlorine usage-
-26,500 pool
-11% chlorine
-CYA of 50

I use about 1. 25 gals a day. I have 2.5 gal jugs. I pour about half of a jug in each day. I came to this amount by keeping a good journal of my pool that included big weather events. I was then able to find my average which turned out to be the about 1.25 gals a day.

Now your pool may be smaller than mine. We really won't know until you get water in it as quite often the PB estimates are off but at least it will give you something to start with.

I hope the above helps!

Kim:kim:
 
Jason, Thanks! I did see that E-Konomy was listed as a source of bulk bleach and I was wondering if they still sold it since that info was like 10 years old. Thanks for the confirmation of that! That likely is the best way to go then once we get it on line. I am running small amounts of 10% in the spa as an oxidizer right now so I've been doing the Wally World 10%.

Supposedly we get "steel" tomorrow which thankfully will put the project on course. I am probably the only person in Tucson that is hoping the monsoon rains that we are getting right now, today, will stop though. If not we might have issues. We will see...

And thanks, also Kim that was a useful data point.

Since this is a running diary of what it's taking to build this.. I am starting to work with my insurance agent to figure out what needs to be added to my homeowners and umbrella. I bought a new car this weekend so I needed to do that anyway. Again we will see... "Pools are great in Tucson" was their response so far. I think that's okay. :)
 
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The rebar crew delayed until tomorrow but the PB sure came out to pick up the next check. Our "hole" is still okay, one not too far up the road apparently collapsed in the last monsoon rain, dug after ours... Still keeping the fingers crossed.... Insurance said they will adjust after its done....
 

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