56k Gallon Pool / Double SWG? (Jandy)

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Having a large gunite pool built with a spa. It seems to be coming out somewhere around 56,000 gallons.
The PB had spec'd out a Jandy Fusion Soft and I don't think that makes much sense.
1. That is rated for 40k gallons max which I'm well over.
2. The more I read I don't want the minerals / metals from that.

I'm wondering...
1. Should I get an Aquapure instead? (if I want to go salt)
2. Or just get the Jandy Fusion Soft and ignore the mineral cartridge?
3. Get a Jandy Tablet feeder and forget salt? (maybe easier to just manage chlorine tablets with all the gallons)
4. Double up on some option below. IE: get two Aquapure 14s that are rated up to 40k gallons each? I assume one can do that?

The rest of the system is Jandy so did want to stick with them. Getting the IAquaLink etc. It seems from my reading both the Fusion and the AquaPure systems work with the IAquaLink but as they already spec'd out a fusion I don't know if switching to an AquaPure is a big deal? Do I need to get a:

Or do fusion / aquapure use same thing? I've called Jandy a few times but never get past hold.

Any help greatly appreciated!

 

[HermanTX]

As you have researched, the Fusion Soft uses mineral canister and is not recommended. You would not put the mineral canister in it and just use the SWCG side only. Alternatively, you can just purchase the AquaPure 1400 by itself. As you stated it is rated to 40k gals (1.25lbs/day output).

With 56k gals, I would not get tablet feeder. When your CYA gets too high you will need to drain and that is a lot of water.

I have the iAquaLink automation which is good. It does have a setting for control of AquaPure but not sure how you would do that with multiple SWCG's Appear you would control one with the IAquaLink and the other with the separate Aquapure control box.

There is a article below that discusses hooking up multiple SWCG's.

SWG Multiple Cells - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com

 

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As you have researched, the Fusion Soft uses mineral canister and is not recommended. You would not put the mineral canister in it and just use the SWCG side only. Alternatively, you can just purchase the AquaPure 1400 by itself. As you stated it is rated to 40k gals (1.25lbs/day output).

With 56k gals, I would not get tablet feeder. When your CYA gets too high you will need to drain and that is a lot of water.

I have the iAquaLink automation which is good. It does have a setting for control of AquaPure but not sure how you would do that with multiple SWCG's Appear you would control one with the IAquaLink and the other with the separate Aquapure control box.

There is a article below that discusses hooking up multiple SWCG's.

SWG Multiple Cells - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com

Thanks for the reply will take a look!
I guess the Aquapure really is just a Fusion without a mineral cart? Or essentially that's what you're getting.

Also I'm on well water. I tested it and all looks good but .3 PPM for Iron. Never had to deal with sequestering (or any of the methods to deal with such things). Something else I'm researching.
I mention though as I most certainly don't want to be draining and refilling. I might get a water truck to fill her up once built (to avoid iron) and then just top off with well as needed in future.

 

[sultanoswing]

You're pool is so large, you may as well just swim in the ocean with its in-built SWCG

 

[ajw22]

I would install two AquaPure 1400 cells in series. One with stand-alone controls and the other connected to the Aqualink.

There will be times early and late in the season when one cell will generate adequate chlorine and you run the one connected to the Aqualink with the other off. In the middle of the summer you run the standalone cell at 70%-100% and then adjust the cell connected to the Aqualink to dial in the chlorine generation.

 

[PoolGate]

The Aquapure and FusionSoft are identical in chlorine output. They are also identical in operation. I believe it is the exact same cell except the FusionSoft is easier to get to. I would get 2 which should provide plenty of chlorine. I have the FusionSoft and have never used the mineral cartridges. I think builders get a break on the price on the FusionSoft due to the expected extra income from the consumable mineral cartridges. Either will work but you may pay more for the Aquapure.

 

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In all honesty my happy place is the ocean/waves but I can't always be there =)

 

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The Aquapure and FusionSoft are identical in chlorine output. They are also identical in operation. I believe it is the exact same cell except the FusionSoft is easier to get to. I would get 2 which should provide plenty of chlorine. I have the FusionSoft and have never used the mineral cartridges. I think builders get a break on the price on the FusionSoft due to the expected extra income from the consumable mineral cartridges. Either will work but you may pay more for the Aquapure.

So I'm thinking get 2 as well. TY for all the quick help! Glad I joined here.

I would install two AquaPure 1400 cells in series. One with stand-alone controls and the other connected to the Aqualink.

There will be times early and late in the season when one cell will generate adequate chlorine and you run the one connected to the Aqualink with the other off. In the middle of the summer you run the standalone cell at 70%-100% and then adjust the cell connected to the Aqualink to dial in the chlorine generation.

Why in series?
I read the thread suggested about having multiple sanitizers.
But I thought that thread suggests parallel is best? I figure regardless I'm going to leave on pegged at a certain level and only have the iAquaLink control one of them.

Does the verical / horizontal discussion really matter for these? It looks like the fusion soft is only meant to do horizontal runs.

 

[PoolGate]

Does the verical / horizontal discussion really matter for these? It looks like the fusion soft is only meant to do horizontal runs.

Correct - FusionSoft can only go horizontal. I think the AquaPure can go either way.

 

[ajw22]

Why in series?
I read the thread suggested about having multiple sanitizers.
But I thought that thread suggests parallel is best? I figure regardless I'm going to leave on pegged at a certain level and only have the iAquaLink control one of them.

Parallel cells will require twice the flow rate to meet the minimum flow requirement of the flow switch. It will require you running your VS pump at a shighe speed and using more electricity.

With two cells, and half the time you will only be running one, a series setup will be better for the overall system.

Does the verical / horizontal discussion really matter for these? It looks like the fusion soft is only meant to do horizontal runs.

Either orientation works equally well.

 

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Parallel cells will require twice the flow rate to meet the minimum flow requirement of the flow switch. It will require you running your VS pump at a shighe speed and using more electricity.

With two cells, and half the time you will only be running one, a series setup will be better for the overall system.



Either orientation works equally well.

Makes sense and thanks. So just showing some pics to make sure I'm on the level and no one notices anything else horrible!

I think I have plenty of pump power but the serial comment makes sense and saving runtime money works for me:
2 Jandy PlusHP 2.0 HP motors
1 Hayward Booster Pump (for 2 spillways coming out of spa)

The filter is a CV460. I wanted the 580 but I'm told they couldn't get it right now so the 460 it is.

Heater is a Jandy JXI 400k BTUs.

In the attached picture below it looks like I just need to add another fusion soft behind the one here... send that into heater and I'm good to. Except I might add a sacrificial anode (I realize thats contentious on here... i'm probably falling into the "it can't hurt" category). Just started that reading this morning... wasn't even on my radar until a neighbor mentioned it. My pool builder never mentioned installing one. Asking them their thoughts on it as well.

Thanks everyone!!!

 

[Tcadwall0]

dd another fusion soft behind the one here... send that into heater

That is coming from the heater. Sanitization is/should be the last thing before returns.

 

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That is coming from the heater. Sanitization is/should be the last thing before returns.

Sorry. Right... and thats obvious if I actually look at my drawing.
Might need a bigger pad!

Thanks

 

[PoolGate]

That is coming from the heater. Sanitization is/should be the last thing before returns.

I don't see how you are going to add another FusionSoft. Your pad is cramped. Maybe move the heater and heater pad to the left?

BTW: You should have your builder get you 1 or 2 extra ignitors for that heater. They are cheap and do fail. It is 5 minutes to replace an ignitor "when" it goes out. I have replaced 2 in 5 seasons.

 

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I don't see how you are going to add another FusionSoft. Your pad is cramped. Maybe move the heater and heater pad to the left?

BTW: You should have your builder get you 1 or 2 extra ignitors for that heater. They are cheap and do fail. It is 5 minutes to replace an ignitor "when" it goes out. I have replaced 2 in 5 seasons.

I completely agree on pad. And if they have to get another or something I'm sure I'll be asked to eat it. It's not poured concrete... its like a "thing" you can pick up and move? I dunno guessing not a huge deal.

I'm also a bit annoyed they spec'd out 1 fusion soft for a pool this big in first place. I think they normally use the same Jandy setup and no one noticed I don't' fix in that box.

Just had this conversation in so many words on phone:
Me: It says on my build sheet here my pumps will handle a turn over in 4 hours.

PB: "Yes you're spec'd for 4 hours... 6 max. You don't want to run all the time cause reasons, etc. etc."

Me: Sure... And the chlorinator you gave me does 40k gallons if its runs 24/7. But if I ran it 6 hours a day it'd be enough for 10000 gallons right?
So shouldn't someone have noticed before work started that this isn't spec'd right. Considering it would never handle the water I have in the summer and I most certainly don't want my pumps running full bore 24/7.

PB: "oh... yea. I see your points. So what do you want to do"?
Etc. Etc.

Looks like they want to charge 2600k for another fusion soft? He has to check. I assume that covers labor as well so no idea if thats a decent deal (and again don't have exact price yet).

Just FYI - I'm happy the build. Crews have all been really good (Digging, Rebarb, Gunite, Electric, Plumbing, etc. etc. )
But calls for detailed questions are answered with far less knowledge, experience, authority than I would like.
I think if I decide to pay for a pool service to manage things at some point I'll look elsewhere.

 

[mknauss]

Me: It says on my build sheet here my pumps will handle a turn over in 4 hours.

Turnover is a myth.
You need VS pump. Your single speed pumps will cost you a mint in electricity. And noisy. Also,, when the motors fail, you will have to replace with VS anyway.

 

[PoolGate]

$2600 installed for the FusionSoft is a good deal. You need both the FusionSoft canister/cell, and the power supply which I assume will be stand-alone.

I was going to say something about the pumps as well. Do you have a spa with this pool? Also do you know what model Aqualink you are getting? That 3rd pump looks like a feature pump is it for a waterfall? Vacuum?

 

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Turnover is a myth.
You need VS pump. Your single speed pumps will cost you a mint in electricity. And noisy. Also,, when the motors fail, you will have to replace with VS anyway.

Shoulda been on here a year ago I guess.
Seems like down the road maybe I'll be switching stuff out.

I guess I could ask them to switch up the pumps now? I'm sure they already are getting annoyed with me but I can handle that!

No idea what the added cost would be.

 

[PoolGate]

You got hosed on those pumps no one uses single speed anymore. Perhaps he had leftover stock he unloaded on you? Not a lot of difference in price. In fact, some states have flat out outlawed them.

In addition, your utility most likely will give you a rebate for getting a variable speed pump. Mine gave me $400.

Many people run their VS pump 24x7 to always be creating chlorine. This is a typical saltwater setup. The FusionSoft will work at around 1200 rpms.

You will not like this chart note the difference (cost/month) between 3450 (single speed runs at this speed) and 1200. Adjust to reflect your electric costs.

 

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Replying to myself here. But if I was to spec out variable speed pumps? I'm sure there is still time if I'm willing to eat cost? It seems like its about double the cost looking online but that should pay for itself over time.
Anyone want to hazard what the change would be?

Like if I have 2 Jandy PHPM2.0.
What am I replacing that with?

I see maybe 3 different types of Jandy VS pumps?:
EPump
VS PlusHP
VS FloPro

I assume they could all be setup to work with the RS-PS6.
If anyone wants to hazard what I should swap out the PHPM2.0 for I would appreciate it and see what I can work out with PB. Will do some spec sheet reading in the meantime and see what I can figure out.

Thanks!