New Construction- Katy Tx; 12000+/- Gal SWG
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From the last picture provided it does not appear to have one.
@ajw22, @mknauss, @Jimrahbe, @Dirk, @HermanTX, @Texas Splash
Hello All,
Can you please review the plumbing and let me know if it is set correctly?
1)For operating the system in POOL MODE, I expected to have two separate pipes: one taking water to the spa to overflow into the pool and the other taking water to the pool returns.
2) I know that if the builder had installed two separate pipes , the spa return would need a check valve to prevent backflow and keep the spa from emptying when the pump is off. However, if there is only one pipe delivering water to both the spa and the pool , which may be splitted into two pipes near the pool, I am unsure if the check valve at the main pipe on equipment pad will function properly.
It is my understanding that a valve is required on the spa return pipe above the check valve to adjust the flow and turn it off. Without the valve, water is always flowing into our spa and over the spillover when in POOL mode. We aren't able to regulate how much water flows through the pool returns versus into the spa and over the spillover. The pool returns will probably have a low flow and not be very effective.
We aren't also able to turn off the flow to the spa and stop the spillover of water. I heard that the continuous running of the spillover will cause rising pH and we will have much more acid demand to keep the pH within the 7's.
Hello All,
Can you please review the plumbing and let me know if it is set correctly?
1)For operating the system in POOL MODE, I expected to have two separate pipes: one taking water to the spa to overflow into the pool and the other taking water to the pool returns.
2) I know that if the builder had installed two separate pipes , the spa return would need a check valve to prevent backflow and keep the spa from emptying when the pump is off. However, if there is only one pipe delivering water to both the spa and the pool , which may be splitted into two pipes near the pool, I am unsure if the check valve at the main pipe on equipment pad will function properly.
It is my understanding that a valve is required on the spa return pipe above the check valve to adjust the flow and turn it off. Without the valve, water is always flowing into our spa and over the spillover when in POOL mode. We aren't able to regulate how much water flows through the pool returns versus into the spa and over the spillover. The pool returns will probably have a low flow and not be very effective.
We aren't also able to turn off the flow to the spa and stop the spillover of water. I heard that the continuous running of the spillover will cause rising pH and we will have much more acid demand to keep the pH within the 7's.
Attachments
- May 3, 2014
- 62,717
- Pool Size
- 6000
- Surface
- Fiberglass
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
You are going to have an Intellicenter automation. Just be sure the actuators installed are cammed so that when in Pool Mode, the return actuator full closes the Spa line. And vice versa. Then in your automation, you will schedule a Spillway Feature.
thanks for your quick response ! So, you mean that in automation I can define how much flow can be from the spa to pool?
also, by "the actuators installed are cammed" you mean camshaft actuator?
- May 3, 2014
- 62,717
- Pool Size
- 6000
- Surface
- Fiberglass
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
In the automation, you would use the Spillway Feature. That Feature will open the Return actuator to the spa keeping the Suction actuator from the pool. You would schedule that a couple times per day to refresh the spa water. When you wish to have the Spa Spillover run for effect, you can select Spillway on your app.
The actuators (unless you are getting IntelliValve) are internally 'cammed' to set the valve movement stops.
The actuators (unless you are getting IntelliValve) are internally 'cammed' to set the valve movement stops.
nima,
On your pic with the Red arrows, you have the input to the pump correct, but the return side backwards. The water going back to the spa, goes through the pipe with the check valve.
The same for the pics with the yellow arrows..
If you did not have an automation system, then to have your spa spillover into the pool, you would have to have your Return valve set so that a little water always went to the spa, when the system was in the pool mode.
But, since you have an automation system, it will be programmed to control the spillover, by sucking water from the pool and returning the same water to the spa.. This is called the Spillway mode and is generally scheduled to run once or twice a day for half an hour or so each time.
Both your Intake valve and your Return valve will move 180 degrees and will not require any special adjustments.
Thanks,
Jim R.
On your pic with the Red arrows, you have the input to the pump correct, but the return side backwards. The water going back to the spa, goes through the pipe with the check valve.
The same for the pics with the yellow arrows..
If you did not have an automation system, then to have your spa spillover into the pool, you would have to have your Return valve set so that a little water always went to the spa, when the system was in the pool mode.
But, since you have an automation system, it will be programmed to control the spillover, by sucking water from the pool and returning the same water to the spa.. This is called the Spillway mode and is generally scheduled to run once or twice a day for half an hour or so each time.
Both your Intake valve and your Return valve will move 180 degrees and will not require any special adjustments.
Thanks,
Jim R.
Nima,
I obviously don't know where the plumbing goes underground, but what I see, appears to be correct to me..
Thanks,
Jim R.
Question:
Do I need to ask the tile guy to grout over the whole split face area to fill all small and big gaps or just ask to fill the big gaps or this is normal and the mortar under the split face with the mesh is enough for this?
I am feeling that the gaps can cause the split face get loose quicker due to water exposure / penetration without grout.
Do I need to ask the tile guy to grout over the whole split face area to fill all small and big gaps or just ask to fill the big gaps or this is normal and the mortar under the split face with the mesh is enough for this?
I am feeling that the gaps can cause the split face get loose quicker due to water exposure / penetration without grout.
Attachments
- Jul 21, 2013
- 65,396
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
I have never been a fan of split face stone in pools. They are long term maintenance headaches and difficult to keep clean. I always recommend smooth large format porcelain tiles.
I would grout as much of the gaps as you can.
I would grout as much of the gaps as you can.
Not an expert; actually just planning my first pool now.
I find the process Interesting; I’ve never seen a pool built. Thanks and keep sharing .
Thanks for your feedback. I guess it was my mistake I didn’t ask this question from the experts before selecting tiles. It is too late and I hope it doesn’t make too much trouble.
I’ll ask them to grout all.
This blog and the people here are very helpful. It is an amazing resource for increasing your knowledge before making a pool. Good luck with your planning