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Dirk said:
These guys:

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It looks like the external stops for each valve handle are in the exact same positions, so that's good.
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The external stop pins on Pentair diverter valve handles do NOTHING when on top of an actuator.

They only come into play when the handle is on the diverter without the actuator.
 
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Dirk said:
These guys:

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It looks like the external stops for each valve handle are in the exact same positions, so that's good. But you still have to determine what the actuator stops are doing (they're inside the actuator, you can't see them from outside). Again, just move the valves in each direction (electrically, not manually) to determine how far each travels (in both directions). If both valves move to the same positions in each direction, then you're good-to-go.

If the two you're going to swap don't move the same, then you'll have to reconfigure the actuator stops for each, to mimic the other.

That third actuator doesn't have any stops.

If the funky actuator is one of the two with stops, then swap those two and leave the third "odd ball" alone.
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Dirk,
The third actuator is the Cleaner valve and the one im having issues with.....

But, this valve does move automatically when the Spillway is turned on....but it used to not move for Spillway....this leads me to thinking the actuator works and this is a cirtuit board issue....what do you think? But I will swap them to confirm...
Thanks!
 
rookies said:
Dirk,
The third actuator is the Cleaner valve and the one im having issues with.....

But, this valve does move automatically when the Spillway is turned on....but it used to not move for Spillway....this leads me to thinking the actuator works and this is a cirtuit board issue....what do you think? But I will swap them to confirm...
Thanks!
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Sorry, that's a bit outside my wheelhouse.

OK, I freaked myself out a little. This is what I want you to do (what I would do).
Take a video of each valve in action, moving all the way each way. Then after you swap, AND BEFORE YOU TURN ON THE PUMP, operate the valves, while referring to the video, and confirm everything is as it was: actuator bodies are oriented as before, handles are oriented as before, and the handles move as they did before.

The concern is somehow messing up how the valve gates move and ending up dead-heading the water flow. I don't think that's even possible, that's determined by how the valves are set up, not the actuators, but I'm just advising caution. If you're careful, you won't be messing with the valve gates, but if things get confusing and you (or the valves) somehow get turned around, there is a potential to get the valve gates in the wrong position.

Just go slow, take pics and videos and be sure when the swap is complete that everything is working as it should, as it was, BEFORE you power up the pump.

And as I said, this is sort of a desperate troubleshooting step. It'll be some work, and will determine where the problem is, but it's pretty involved and you might save it until you've exhausted all the other troubleshooting steps that you were discussing with Jim.
 
I doubt your board has a problem. There is no way electrically the two valve circuits would change and still work.

We are all confused about how your valves are turning.

I marked your picture below.

The valve with the red A B that you call the cleaner valve has the handle at position A. With the handle at position A the cleaner is ON. Is that correct?

The pipe by A is labeled RETURN.

Is there a pipe under B that we cannot see?

The valve to the left that has green 1 2 3 4 you call your SPILLWAY valve. The handle is in position 1 and the SPILLWAY is OFF. Correct?

When that valve turns on the SPILLWAY which position does the handle move to? 2, 3 , or 4?

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Dirk said:
Sorry, that's a bit outside my wheelhouse.

OK, I freaked myself out a little. This is what I want you to do (what I would do).
Take a video of each valve in action, moving all the way each way. Then after you swap, AND BEFORE YOU TURN ON THE PUMP, operate the valves, while referring to the video, and confirm everything is as it was: actuator bodies are oriented as before, handles are oriented as before, and the handles move as they did before.

The concern is somehow messing up how the valve gates move and ending up dead-heading the water flow. I don't think that's even possible, that's determined by how the valves are set up, not the actuators, but I'm just advising caution. If you're careful, you won't be messing with the valve gates, but if things get confusing and you (or the valves) somehow get turned around, there is a potential to get the valve gates in the wrong position.

Just go slow, take pics and videos and be sure when the swap is complete that everything is working as it should, as it was, BEFORE you power up the pump.

And as I said, this is sort of a desperate troubleshooting step. It'll be some work, and will determine where the problem is, but it's pretty involved and you might save it until you've exhausted all the other troubleshooting steps that you were discussing with Jim.
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I would not do all that.

Let's confirm the way each valve moves.
 
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ajw22 said:
I doubt your board has a problem. There is no way electrically the two valve circuits would change and still work.

We are all confused about how your valves are turning.

I marked your picture below.

The valve with the red A B that you call the cleaner valve has the handle at position A. With the handle at position A the cleaner is ON. Is that correct?

The pipe by A is labeled RETURN.

Is there a pipe under B that we cannot see?

The valve to the left that has green 1 2 3 4 you call your SPILLWAY valve. The handle is in position 1 and the SPILLWAY is OFF. Correct?

When that valve turns on the SPILLWAY which position does the handle move to? 2, 3 , or 4?

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AJW,

A the cleaner is off, B cleaner is on...and there is a pipe behind B that goes into the ground to cleaner, pressure cleaner....you cannot see the pipe in picture.

Pipe A is labeled Return, correct.

Valve 1234 is my Spillway and in the pic (1) is off, when it turns on, the handle points to 4 and it is on.

Attached are the positions each handle should be facing when each valve is on.
 

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Do you have a spa?

You need to show us EVERY pipe and EVERY label on the pipes with pictures that let us follow the water flow from the pump suction through your equipment and out the returns, spillway, cleaner, and wherever else. Showing piecemeal pictures and having hidden pipes that are not shown creates the confusion.

It is also difficult in pictures following black pipes on a dark background that overlap and it is hard to tell if pipes are connected or just go over or under each other. You need to help us understand.

A picture of the handles does not help when we do not really understand what each valve does.

You never showed us this screen in your system...

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ajw22 said:
Do you have a spa?

You need to show us EVERY pipe and EVERY label on the pipes with pictures that let us follow the water flow from the pump suction through your equipment and out the returns, spillway, cleaner, and wherever else. Showing piecemeal pictures and having hidden pipes that are not shown creates the confusion.

It is also difficult in pictures following black pipes on a dark background that overlap and it is hard to tell if pipes are connected or just go over or under each other. You need to help us understand.

A picture of the handles does not help when we do not really understand what each valve does.

You never showed us this screen in your system...

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AND HERE IS YOUR PROBLEM....

Drum roll PPPlllleeeaaasseee!

Valve A should be assigned to CLEANER not SPILLWAY.

Your spillway actuator is plugged into your RETURN valve socket as it should be. What you call SPILLWAY is your POOL/SPA diverter. One position on that diverter is for POOL mode. The other position, that should really be labeled SPA and not SPILLWAY, is for SPA mode.

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ajw22 said:
AND HERE IS YOUR PROBLEM....

Drum roll PPPlllleeeaaasseee!

Valve A should be assigned to CLEANER not SPILLWAY.

Your spillway actuator is plugged into your RETURN valve socket as it should be. What you call SPILLWAY is your POOL/SPA diverter. One position on that diverter is for POOL mode. The other position, that should really be labeled SPA and not SPILLWAY, is for SPA mode.

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AJW,

You are amazing! Thank you soo much!! You saved me $$$. Not sure how my Screen Logic Valve A suddenly got switched from Cleaner to Spillway... I just took pictures how Screen Logic should be configured for future use.
Pentair told me how to label these valves, on the Spillway valve, maybe its labeled that way because the spillway overflows from the spa and flows into the pool...?
Thanks for everyones help and esp AJW.
Troy
 
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