green pool, high copper questions


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no I have not gotten my test kit yet but my pool is looking much better already just by treating the high phosphates. It has been brushed and is already a light green color with no visible staining (so far). I am not sure what all of this means as I am less than novice level compared to you but I thought my sharing this may .. perhaps, help the community.
 
I am looking at the kits and wonder which is best for testing metals too
No kits that are worth having are reasonably priced. You can send the water off to a lab but that isn't cheap either. The pool stores test is usually good enough for what we need to know, so we reccomend going there. Just make sure they can differentiate between copper and iron. Some places only report 'metals' and the cures are different so you need to know the individuals.
 
Also, for the regular tests, the TFPro is the hands down winner IMO. The k2006C and TFPro are the same price, and both have a nice case, but the TFPro includes a $44 stirring device.

If you're on a strict budget, the TF-100 does not include the case or the smart stir, but the rest is the same and it's entirely capable of getting the job done.
 
No kits that are worth having are reasonably priced. You can send the water off to a lab but that isn't cheap either. The pool stores test is usually good enough for what we need to know, so we reccomend going there. Just make sure they can differentiate between copper and iron. Some places only report 'metals' and the cures are different so you need to know the individuals.

No kits that are worth having are reasonably priced. You can send the water off to a lab but that isn't cheap either. The pool stores test is usually good enough for what we need to know, so we reccomend going there. Just make sure they can differentiate between copper and iron. Some places only report 'metals' and the cures are different so you need to know the individuals.I

Also, for the regular tests, the TFPro is the hands down winner IMO. The k2006C and TFPro are the same price, and both have a nice case, but the TFPro includes a $44 stirring device.

If you're on a strict budget, the TF-100 does not include the case or the smart stir, but the rest is the same and it's entirely capable of getting the job done.
I figured if I am going to get a kit that I might as well get one that will have everything needed for an true result including metals. The company I hired covers all testing and chemicals for a little over $100 a month and I am not strapped to a month to month contract. I have seen people in front of my very eyes try to skew test results and have trust issues with these test takers, but this is on their dime so I dont have to worry about them skewing for upcharging. I really wished I felt confident enough to tackle this issue on my own but I was failing miserably. I read a little about the smart stir and am wondering if it is worthwhile.
 
I read a little about the smart stir and am wondering if it is worthwhile.
It's hard to explain but once you've used one, you'll understand. I'm pretty sure nobody has ever given theirs away. Most of us would order one on the spot if ours broke. Not later when it was convenient, right then and there.
I figured if I am going to get a kit that I might as well get one that will have everything needed for an true result including metals
Again, metals tests are very expensive if they're reliable and likely won't be in a pool kit. We don't need to know the exact #s and the pool store test should be close enough even with some variance. If you do find the perfect setup, it won't be the tests we use/know and will be unable to help because we speak a different language. Us all being on 'the same page' allows me to know how your pool will respond to my kits results. It's like we are all there testing with you.
 
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It's hard to explain but once you've used one, you'll understand. I'm pretty sure nobody has ever given theirs away. Most of us would order one on the spot if ours broke. Not later when it was convenient, right then and there.

Again, metals tests are very expensive if they're reliable and likely won't be in a pool kit. We don't need to know the exact #s and the pool store test should be close enough even with some variance. If you do find the perfect setup, it won't be the tests we use/know and will be unable to help because we speak a different language. Us all being on 'the same page' allows me to know how your pool will respond to my kits results. It's like we are all there testing with you.
Thank you for that advice. Have you ever dealt with high phosphates? I am finding that my cartridge filter is clogging up almost instantly from their removal. I ordered a new filter but wonder if I will keep on encountering the same issue? I asked the pool tech if I should run the pool without the cartridge just to have the chemical be able to circulate, he didnt seem to keen on that idea but I am having to clean that filter within 5-10 minutes and it is only 6 months old. I must admit though that it has taken a beating though.
 
Thank you for that advice. Have you ever dealt with high phosphates? I am finding that my cartridge filter is clogging up almost instantly from their removal. I ordered a new filter but wonder if I will keep on encountering the same issue? I asked the pool tech if I should run the pool without the cartridge just to have the chemical be able to circulate, he didnt seem to keen on that idea but I am having to clean that filter within 5-10 minutes and it is only 6 months old. I must admit though that it has taken a beating though.
I wonder if I can take my water to a local agriculture office for metal testing, will they need to know its pool water? they test for free
 
Have you ever dealt with high phosphates? I am finding that my cartridge filter is clogging up almost instantly from their removal
Many phosphate removers have flocculant added that clumps up and wrecks filter media and needs to be vacuumed to waste.

You dose it, let it all fall to the bottom, then remove it to waste. Most filter cartridges don't have that option with no MPV.
I wonder if I can take my water to a local agriculture office for metal testing, will they need to know its pool water? they test for free
That's a GREAT idea if it's locally available. Water is water and it doesn't matter where it came from, only that it has X copper and Y iron.
 
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Many phosphate removers have flocculant added that clumps up and wrecks filter media and needs to be vacuumed to waste.

You dose it, let it all fall to the bottom, then remove it to waste. Most filter cartridges don't have that option with no MPV.

That's a GREAT idea if it's locally available. Water is water and it doesn't matter where it came from, only that it has X copper and Y iron.
Thank you, since I have a high copper issue I do believe that being able to test for it is in my best interest. What a mess! My pool is still a light green today but much better than the swamp green it was before. Whatever they added made some algae float on top of the pool and is now gone, so much for the VP and "chemist" at CUlator that said "if you have high copper, you have no algae " I know one thing I can not clean this filter every 5-10 minutes, maybe I should start a new thread?
 
This is hard to read. Most likely cause of a green pool is algae from lack of Chlorine!
I have high copper 1.2 last reading from 2.5. I was told that the chlorine has to be low to treat the copper and that the water was green from it that all the copper would keep it in check. So I started the slam deal and no matter what amount of liquid chlorine was put in the level still remained at 0.
 
so much for the VP and "chemist" at CUlator that said "if you have high copper, you have no algae
Copper does in fact help prevent algae growth, but algae grows exponentially and easily overwhelms the copper level once you have algae.

SLAM on the other hand uses frequent precision testing to add what you need, based on the current results which change by the hour.
So I started the slam deal and no matter what amount of liquid chlorine was put in the level still remained at 0.
As you're finding with your test results all over the map, we don't trust them if they aren't from a drop based kit. This is your first rodeo but we have been to thousands of rodeos and the story always plays out the same. Without reliable testing we can't do much to help and very well may make it worse if we advise how to proceed. We can't possibly know how to get where you need to be if we don't know where you start from.
 
Copper does in fact help prevent algae growth, but algae grows exponentially and easily overwhelms the copper level once you have algae.

SLAM on the other hand uses frequent precision testing to add what you need, based on the current results which change by the hour.

As you're finding with your test results all over the map, we don't trust them if they aren't from a drop based kit. This is your first rodeo but we have been to thousands of rodeos and the story always plays out the same. Without reliable testing we can't do much to help and very well may make it worse if we advise how to proceed. We can't possibly know how to get where you need to be if we don't know where you start from.
You are right, after owning this pool without incidence .. I have truly met my first rodeo and have been thrown right off the buck! To my defence, even the so called pool pros and chemist were thrown off too. I am not sure if running my pool without a filter is wise or not, but right now its either that or nothing.
 
I am not sure if running my pool without a filter is wise or not, but right now its either that or nothing.
I'm inexperienced with phosphate removers but I believe that if you don't vac out the debris within a certain window, it all goes back into solution.
To my defence, even the so called pool pros and chemist were thrown off too
Trust me friend. The road to TFP is paved with 335k members, most of whom wore out your very shoes getting here. We have nothing to sell you buy goodwill and the others can't say the same. With our collective knowledge based in science, we have an understanding of the subject matter like no other.
 
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Copper does in fact help prevent algae growth, but algae grows exponentially and easily overwhelms the copper level once you have algae.

SLAM on the other hand uses frequent precision testing to add what you need, based on the current results which change by the hour.

As you're finding with your test results all over the map, we don't trust them if they aren't from a drop based kit. This is your first rodeo but we have been to thousands of rodeos and the story always plays out the same. Without reliable testing we can't do much to help and very well may make it worse if we advise how to proceed. We can't possibly know how to get where you need to be if we don't know where you start from.
Pinch a penny uses drop based kits but they can be manipulated by the tester ..no? Leslies has a computer test that all these fancy VPs and chemist say they prefer but they showed my phosphates at 0, but I did hear from jacks chemist that when treating copper the phosphates will be high. Maybe leslies just didnt test for them?
 

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