- Aug 12, 2015
- 79
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- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Jandy Aquapure 1400
SWG and Pop Ups on Same Return
- Thread starter vic49
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- Aug 12, 2015
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- Chlorine
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- Jandy Aquapure 1400
Ok I flipped the waterfall valve to off. Prior to turning off and having only the waterfall pump on, water comes out of the return. Once I turned the valve to waterfall to the off position, a TON more water pressure comes through that same wall return.
- Aug 12, 2015
- 79
- Pool Size
- 15009
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- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Jandy Aquapure 1400
The return pushes water through when the water feature pump is running. When the valve to the waterfall is off and pump still running, the water pressure coming through the return is much greater. When the main pump is on and waterfall pump is off, nothing comes through the return.
- Aug 12, 2015
- 79
- Pool Size
- 15009
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- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Jandy Aquapure 1400
I have not seen the install instructions for the Aquapure, but I’m guessing it may still have to be replumbed unless Jandy says it’s ok to install on same return as IFCS?
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- Aug 12, 2015
- 79
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- 15009
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- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Jandy Aquapure 1400
I suspect that a lot of these SWG’s are installed like mine are , which is on the same return as the IFCS. When I first brought this to the PB’s attention via text, his response was “I don’t foresee an issue because we do them all like that, and a lot of what we do here (FL) is not necessarily the same as the manual, but I’m going to reach out to the local Jandy Rep.”
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TampaKathy
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I bet money that when I contact the PB his response will be, "That's how we always do it." I haven't paid the PB in full yet b/c there are still open items (we're over 1 year) so I'll just add this to the list lol. I would think I could do it myself but I'd rather be a PIA and get them to do it
- Jul 21, 2013
- 55,419
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- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
The wall return on the waterfall line is to prevent deadheading the pump if the waterfall valve is closed while the pump is running. And to vent the excess flow from the pump if the waterfall valve is partially closed.
- Jul 21, 2013
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The Aquapure manual has no such limitations.
Who is Mr. Jandy you expect to give you the ok? You will not get a consistent response from a corporation other then referring you to the Installation documents.
This method won't work because too much flow will go to the cell and the IFC won't work.
This can possibly work because you can control the flow to the cell return, but this reduces the performance of the IFC and if you close the valve to the cell line, you might have the cell run with no flow and the cell can explode.
You can replace the impeller with a smaller impeller, which will reduce the performance of the IFC and it is still not consistent with the manual.
You can switch to the Aquapure and reduce the impeller.
The main pump should have been variable speed and the water feature pump should have been a dedicated water feature pump.
- Aug 12, 2015
- 79
- Pool Size
- 15009
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- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Jandy Aquapure 1400
Well that’s not encouraging. Lol. I expect that the very least, the local Jandy rep that the PB mentioned will weigh in. I was hoping for an answer in writing from Fluidra stating it can’t be installed on the same line because it gives me some leverage should the PB continue to say they do them all this way.
- Aug 12, 2015
- 79
- Pool Size
- 15009
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Jandy Aquapure 1400
When I stated the “pump still running” when closing the valve, I mean the waterfall pump. Isn’t it dedicated?
The waterfall pump is on the waterfall and return.
The waterfall pump should only be on the waterfall and not on a return.
The pump should be a waterfall pump and not a regular "high head" pump.
The waterfall pump should only be on the waterfall and not on a return.
The pump should be a waterfall pump and not a regular "high head" pump.
- Jul 21, 2013
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- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
The PB is the Jandy reps customer, not you. The PB buys a lot of Jandy equipment from the rep. The rep is unlikely to throw the PB under the bus other then referring to the Installation Manual.
Leverage with who, a Judge in a Court?
You have the answer in writing in the Installation Manual.
If the PB chooses to ignore the manufacturers directions who will force him to do something different?
- Aug 12, 2015
- 79
- Pool Size
- 15009
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- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Jandy Aquapure 1400
All good points and I just said to my husband today earlier exactly what you said, that Jandy gets a lot of business from the PB and will not throw them under the bus. I’m not trying to do anything here but get this installation done properly and not have to come back years to come at my cost to continue replacing SWG’s that are installed improperly. If Fluidra refers back to the manual, which I expect they will, then the statement that the pool builder made “we have always done them this way” will be hard to defend. It’s the weekend and I haven’t heard back from the PB or Fluidra but I’m sure I will hear back one way or the other. The PB has had to fix some pretty serious issues on this build during the first 12 months and they faithfully have done so with no problem. We are in month 15 now though. The fact that the SWG was installed against manufacturer directions is leverage for me and I am hoping they will do what’s right and get it fixed properly. The more I know about what’s the best way to fix this, the better position I am in and I very much appreciate everyone’s input on this.
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Call them first thing on Monday and ask if they got your email and when you can expect a response.
- Feb 6, 2015
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- CircuPool RJ-45 Plus
Agreed! This would be the best fix for the pool owner.
No need to reinvent the wheel with lots of plumbing changes. Just put an Aquapure in place of the Truclear.
- Aug 12, 2015
- 79
- Pool Size
- 15009
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- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Jandy Aquapure 1400
Oh don’t worry. Lol. I’ve had a lot of practice. In the first year we have had leak repair in the side main drain, divers to find it, drained the whole pool to uncover pop up heads covered by plasterers etc etc. I’ve had a ton of practice.
I would use Aquapure and downsize the impeller one size.
The performance of the IFC should still be good and the power usage can drop from about 1,500 watts to about 1,000 watts, which is a big savings.
1,500 watts at 12 hours per day at 10 cents per kilowatt-hr is $1.80 per day or $54.00 per month.
The performance of the IFC should still be good and the power usage can drop from about 1,500 watts to about 1,000 watts, which is a big savings.
1,500 watts at 12 hours per day at 10 cents per kilowatt-hr is $1.80 per day or $54.00 per month.
- Feb 6, 2015
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The pump doesn't need to run at a higher rpm for 12 hours a day. It only needs to run at a high enough rpm for 2-4 hours a day (or so) for the IFCS to do a good job. In addition, it needs to run fast enough to close the SWG flow switch for the needed hours that the SWG needs to produce the required chlorine. The rpm for chlorine production is usually lower than that needed for the IFCS. Any run time the pool owner wants to run outside of IFCS and SWG time can be at about 1000 rpm.
As an example... based on 12 hour run time per day
IFCS - 4 hours at 2900rpm
SWG - 8 hours per day - minimum 1400rpm - 4 hours at 2900rpm (IFCS) and 4 hours at 1400rpm
Extra time - 4 hours at 1000rpm
The above is just an example and not necessarily what the OP pool actually needs. OP will need to determine run times based on how clean they want the pool and how much chlorine needs to be produced. Lots of variables present.
I still don't see the need to downsize the impeller. If downsized impeller is used, pump will need a higher rpm for the IFCS to be effective. @JamesW - if the IFCS needs a specific pressure and/or flow rate to do its job, how does downsizing the impeller save electricity if the pump needs a higher rpm to provide the IFCS a specific presure/flow rate to clean effectively?
For my pool, 2900rpm for 4 hours per day provides adequate IFCS cleaning and 1100rpm is more than adequate for SWG production and skimming needs. I run 24/7 and cost is less than $20/month.
As an example... based on 12 hour run time per day
IFCS - 4 hours at 2900rpm
SWG - 8 hours per day - minimum 1400rpm - 4 hours at 2900rpm (IFCS) and 4 hours at 1400rpm
Extra time - 4 hours at 1000rpm
The above is just an example and not necessarily what the OP pool actually needs. OP will need to determine run times based on how clean they want the pool and how much chlorine needs to be produced. Lots of variables present.
I still don't see the need to downsize the impeller. If downsized impeller is used, pump will need a higher rpm for the IFCS to be effective. @JamesW - if the IFCS needs a specific pressure and/or flow rate to do its job, how does downsizing the impeller save electricity if the pump needs a higher rpm to provide the IFCS a specific presure/flow rate to clean effectively?
For my pool, 2900rpm for 4 hours per day provides adequate IFCS cleaning and 1100rpm is more than adequate for SWG production and skimming needs. I run 24/7 and cost is less than $20/month.